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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi dwise1
dwise1 writes: The crudest example of this is to demand a yes-or-no answer to the question: "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Restricted to a yes or no answer and nothing else, any answer the witness would give would condemn him, whereas if he were allowed to explore other options (eg, "I've never beaten my wife!") the outcome would be completely different. Collins was asking him to answer yes or no to his questions because he was reading information from a written report that Mueller said he was not going to testify about anything else. Collins was just trying to get him to testify to his report in open session before the camera's. If you wrote a paper and I was questioning you about what that paper said by reading a sentence and asking you did you stand by your report. I read another sentence and ask you is that what you said? How many answers would you have for those questions? Either you would agree that the statement read was what you said or was not what you said. At which point I would have the report handed to you if you did not have one, and ask for you to read it. So quit throwing in your strawmen to deflect an argument.
dwise1 writes: The principal difference between conspiracy and collusion is that conspiracy requires explicit agreements between the parties, whereas collusion can be done with tacit cooperation, Collusion is not a Federal offense so what are you arguing about? If it is not a Federal offense there is no charges that can be brought and nothing for you or anyone to accuse the President of collusion being an impeachable offense. So what is all the fuss about?
dwise1 writes: (the Walker case, I think) in which our counter-intelligence agents could tell what was going on, but they couldn't step in and arrest him until finally they observed him using a dead drop, which could only have been arranged through explicit agreements. So the collusion was not a crime and they could not interfere with the subject until his actions was put into play. The drop box was not even illegal. But when the subject placed something in the drop box. Still no crime had occurred until the recipient removed the object from the drop box. Then by their actions they had committed an offense. The collusion was not a Federal offense. Only the action of the subjects was a Federal offense.
dwise1 writes: The Mueller Report describes a large number of instances of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, many of which involved offering or seeking or accepting or exchanging information. Despite Faith's bad faith description of these meetings as "innocent", they were far from innocent. I have read the report and I can't find one Federal offense that was committed. Would you please give me just one of those instances of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians. Give me the page and report where it is found. God Bless"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Dr
Dr Jones writes: it doesn't matter if he threatened or made a promise, in fact it doesn't even matter if the Bidens are corrupt, he asked a foreign power to interfere in the upcoming election. Today he asked China to do the same. Can you give me a direct quote from the transcript of the phone call where, he asked a foreign power to interfere in the upcoming election. I can't find such a question in my copy of the transcript. God Bless"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
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God Bless Edited by ICANT, : No reason given."John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Percy
Percy writes: By pushing for Shokin's dismissal Biden was making it more likely that the founder of Burisma Holdings where his son sat on the board would be investigated. Isn't that the same investigation Trump is asking for? It seems under Yuri Lutsenko the prosecutor general who succeeded Shokin the investigation ended with a settlement and a fine paid by one of the firm's accountants. So the results of Shokin being fired was a settlement and a fine paid by an accountant which benefited the company. Since we are still giving Ukraine a lot of money and military hardware why shouldn't that investigation be completed rather than accepting a decision made by the person who followed Biden's having Shokin fired or the Gov. would not get the billion dollars. God Bless"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Dr.
DrJones writes: don't play stupid, he repeatedly asked the Ukrainian government to investigate Joe Biden and his son. Can you quote me pages and paragraphs if Trump repeatedly asked the Ukrainian government to investigate Joe Biden and his son? I will see if I can help you a little bit. The following is quoted directly from the original transcript. I added the underline to draw attention to certain portions.
quote: The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me. The first section I underlined is where President Zelenskyy is stating he is thankful for the US help with the Russian sanctions. The second is where President Trump mentions Biden's son. The third is where President Trump mentiones Biden going around bragging about he stopped the prosecutor as he was fired. If I remember correctly Biden gave the Ukraine government until his flight left to fire the prosecutor or they would not get the billion+dollars. In the entire transcript I can not find any other mention of Hunter Biden or Joe Biden. Maybe my eyesight is getting bad and I missed where President Trump asked President Zelenskyy to dig up dirt on anyone multiple times. God Bless"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Taq
Taq writes: Biden was entirely in his right to brag about it because he scored a major victory for the US and our European allies when he got Shokin fired. Read my post above. You been drinking too much of the cool aid. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Hunter Biden according to the New York Times was hired by Bursma in December 2015 which was just weeks after President Obama asked Joe Biden to oversee U.S., Ukraine relations. At the time Bursima was having problems with the law. On March 29, 2016 Shokin was fired at the demand of Joe Biden with the result of that firing not taking place meaning the Ukraine would not get 1+ billion dollars, in aid. John Buretta who had been hired to help Bursima with their legal problems tried to speak to Yuriy Sevruk who had been appointed temporary prosecutor general the same day Shokin was fired. He got that meeting on April 6, 2016 but Yuri Lutsenko was appointed prosecutor general. In January of 2017 the case Shokin was prosecuting was settled for a few million dollars in fines for alleged tax issues. Now I don't know anything about political business, but I do know a little about business. So if I had been in Burisma shoe's and under investigation I would have take out an insurance policy if one was available to me. It seems they had one available as President Obama appointed his vice president Joe Biden to be over the U.S., Ukranian relations. A few weeks later Hunter Biden was hired by Burisma. Later the prosecutor general was fired at the demand of Joe Biden with the result of a prosecutor who shortly thereafter settled the case out of court for a few million dollars. Sounds like a very good business investment to me with a great return on investment. But then what do I know? I just heard somewhere on this site that all you have to do is follow the evidence to reach the proper decision. God Bless"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Taq
Taq writes: Do you really think that it was just Joe Biden calling for Shokin to be removed? I don't see where anyone gave them an ultimatum that they had 6 hours to fire the prosecutor or lose over a billion dollars in aid.
Taq writes: Now, ask the same thing about Trump firing Comey. Who was Jim Comey investigating? If I remember correctly all the Dems were asking Trump to fire Comey as he was investigating Hillary Clinton. The investigation Comey was running was into the phony Russian Collusion against the Trump administration. We know now that firing was justified. On the other hand the firing of Shokin resulted in the prosecution Shokin was conducting being turned over to a prosecutor that settled the case for a so called tax liability and them being fined a few million dollars. That settlement and other things surrounding it has been under investigation for several months. Which was taking place before the conversation of which we have the transcript took place.
Taq writes: Whose the corrupt one? You do know that Trump did not have to have any reason to fire Comey, don't you. Every person that is hired by the president or former president to work in his administration can be fired simply because the President got up on the wrong side of the bed or for no reason at all. Comey said he served at the pleasure of the President. At least he knew that much. God Bless"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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