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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Right wing fascism is what they had in Europe, it is not what we have in America. This is true. The right in America is conservative,... What does it mean to be a conservative or on the right in the age of Trump, since Trump isn't really either. He's an opportunist. As his friend of many years, Sean Hannity, puts it, he knew Trump "would govern as a conservative," and he says he turned out to be right, which most conservatives agree is the case. And he's sincerely governing as a conservative, he sincerely believes in what he's doing.
...Constitutional originalists, strong on preserving individual liberties. Well, not really. There's all those pesky amendments to the original, and then there's conservative opposition to a woman's right to choose, antagonism toward separation of church and state, and restrictions on the right to vote. This is where we need originalist interpretations of the Constitution to understand how all these things should be properly viewed. I suspect they would regard abortion as murder, and certainly would know it is a paganism that Christianity put an end to infanticide in Europe by rescuing babies put out to die, and taking seriously the Hippocratic oaths to do no hyarm and not to administer an abortifacient. The main five founders weren't Christians but they were steeped in Christian principles and morality which they strongly supported. You are represeintg Leftist revisionism, not Constitutionbalism. You also represent an unconstitutional idea of separation of church and state, for which we also need to consult the Founders beyond the usual token nod to Jefferson's letter to the Baptists. As for pesky amendments, the Constitution CALLS for amendments, it's a Constitutional provision so what are you talking about anyway?
And if Trump's views are now the views of conservatives then there's conflation of criticism of the government with anti-Americanism, antagonism toward a free press, racism, and misogyny. All of which are Leftist cognitive malfunctions. The views are not Trump's, they are conservative views which he has come to embrace. They are the kind of Americanism the Left has been trying to destroy for decades, which IS anti-Americanism and I wish that would be made soundsly and finally clear to all the confused Leftists out there. WE DO NOT HAVE A FREE PRESS THESE DAYS, it has been commandeered by the LEFT, and Mark Levinj has exposed it for what it is. The Democrats are the part of racism and there is no misogyny in Trump. I'm so sorry such lies are widely accepted these days. They are going to destroy the nation along with all the other Leftist anti-American policies.
It's the Left that wants to control everybody economically and culturally, and that's fascism. Now you're confusing totalitarianism with facism. Don't get me wrong, I'm opposed to both, but there *is* a difference. Not if you have a sense of real reality in America these days which unfortunately the Left does not and you've obviously bought into the Left hook, line and sinker. Fascism is a form of totalitarianism and that's where we're headed if the Left gets its way which it probably will only too soon because we have such a miseducated population these days.
I think all reasonable people on both the right and left are opposed to totalitarianism and fascism. Yes, in principle that is no doubt true, but in reality the Left is promoting policies that are fascistic and totalitarian and probably won'd recognize it until it's too late. And they won't recognize it then either, they'll just blame it on the right as usual since they have no ability whatever to understand what is really going on jand what they are really doing in the name of their utopian idealisms. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm always a little leery about discussing the "rights" of political office holders. They may have, by virtue of their position, authority to make various decisions and may be given certain privileges, but I think the word "right" has the wrong connotations in this context. Perhaps there's a better word for it but I mean to be talking about the ROLE of the President, not Trump or any particular President, and about the separation of powers. The President can't function if he's surrounded by enemies, such as from the previous administration by a member of the opposite party, or just people who are always in conflict with his policies for whatever reason. OR from a Congress overstepping THEIR separate Consituttional role. EVERY President has to operate this way. Thanks for the nice words about being glad I'm posting on political threads by the way, though I have to admit to having to view it with some suspiciousness. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
As I understand it, the only reason the Dems are attacking Sanders is their fear he can't win against Trump. The "red-baiting" is a weird sort of smokescreen since most of them agree with Sanders for the most part anyway. He's just more willing to say what he thinks and that makes them nervous.
I don't want ANY of them because they are ALL closet Communists. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: I did not misuse "Never-Trumper" I see now that you were talking about the judge, not the plaintiffs. Reading to the end it's clear you have no idea whether the judge is a never Trumper or not. He's all over the news now, and if he'd ever made any public expressions about his feelings about Trump it would already have made headlines.
I hear all the time about Hillary emails that are KNOWN to have been classified despite her obstruction of justice in doing away with them. You're just like your hero. Whenever he says "They say" or "I hear" you know he's making it up. In this case I know it's not you who is making it up, but why are you investing any credibility in an obviously made-up claim. The only mechanism by which anyone could know whether any lost emails were classified is if they had access to them. But if there are people with access to them then the emails aren't lost. That would be stunning news. But there's never been any such news, because the emails are really lost. Any claims that the lost emails were classified is just somebody making things up, and you're falling for it. But go ahead, keep arguing that's it's possible to know the content of lost emails.
The redacted parts don't contain useful information, that's a leftist claim, not mine. No one's claiming the redacted parts contain information that would call into question Barr's memo and statements about the Mueller report. It's whether they do or not that we want to find out.
They are redacted usually to protect people who should be protected. People who should be protected? Not to change the subject, but you mean like whistleblowers? Anyway, yes, protecting identities is one good reason for redaction. National security is another. Soon we'll know if the redaction criteria were properly followed.
That's how I know there is nothing in the redacted portions to do anything but confirm what Barr already concluded from what was actually available. Assumptions are not a way to know anything. You're merely assuming that Barr properly followed redaction procedures. Mueller raised serious objections to Barr's memo about the report, the memo isn't consistent with the redacted report, and Barr dismissed Mueller's position that DoJ policy prohibits indicting a sitting president. These facts raised eyebrows at the time, and eyebrows are still raised. That episode seemed to reveal Barr as a Trump partisan rather than an objective administer of justice. Insuring that the redactions support Barr seems a good thing to pursue. Barr should want this because it has the potential to put questions about his objectivity to rest.
And it's the judge's idea that there would be more information of a different sort than Barr had that makes the judge most likely a Never Trumper. This is just another assumption about something of which you have no knowledge driven by your proclivity for casting aspersions at anyone and anything you disagree with. You needed a reason for dismissing the judge's statements in court, so you made one up. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: Right wing fascism is what they had in Europe, it is not what we have in America.
This is true. The right in America is conservative,... What does it mean to be a conservative or on the right in the age of Trump, since Trump isn't really either. He's an opportunist. As his friend of many years, Sean Hannity, puts it, he knew Trump "would govern as a conservative," and he says he turned out to be right, which most conservatives agree is the case. And he's sincerely governing as a conservative, he sincerely believes in what he's doing. Traditional conservative policies have long embraced fiscal sanity, free trade, realistically facing the threats posed by the world's bad players like Russia and North Korea, and character.
...Constitutional originalists, strong on preserving individual liberties. Well, not really. There's all those pesky amendments to the original, and then there's conservative opposition to a woman's right to choose, antagonism toward separation of church and state, and restrictions on the right to vote. This is where we need originalist interpretations of the Constitution to understand how all these things should be properly viewed. Let me guess: your views are the proper originalist interpretations.
I suspect they would regard abortion as murder, and certainly would know it is a paganism that Christianity put an end to infanticide in Europe by rescuing babies put out to die, and taking seriously the Hippocratic oaths to do no harm and not to administer an abortifacient. And a number of them would view slavery as right and proper, and the letting of blood as an effective medical treatment.
The main five founders weren't Christians but they were steeped in Christian principles and morality which they strongly supported. They probably supported the first amendment, too.
You are representing Leftist revisionism, not Constitutionalism. The revisionism is all yours. The constitutional framers held no expectation that future interpreters would be guided by what could be divined of their intent.
You also represent an unconstitutional idea of separation of church and state, for which we also need to consult the Founders beyond the usual token nod to Jefferson's letter to the Baptists. In other words, seek other opinions until you find one you like.
As for pesky amendments, the Constitution CALLS for amendments, it's a Constitutional provision so what are you talking about anyway? Original intent is not a founding principle, in fact, the opposite, else the Constitution wouldn't provide for its own amending. It's an explicit expression of the principle that the original Constitution should not be held inerrant and sacred. The founders were not gods, just people.
And if Trump's views are now the views of conservatives then there's conflation of criticism of the government with anti-Americanism, antagonism toward a free press, racism, and misogyny. All of which are Leftist cognitive malfunctions. The views are not Trump's, they are conservative views which he has come to embrace.They are the kind of Americanism the Left has been trying to destroy for decades, which IS anti-Americanism and I wish that would be made soundly and finally clear to all the confused Leftists out there. It would be much more clear if you would tell us the views you're thinking of.
WE DO NOT HAVE A FREE PRESS THESE DAYS, it has been commandeered by the LEFT, and Mark Levin has exposed it for what it is. If the press isn't free then why is it they have no trouble writing things you and Trump don't like?
The Democrats are the part of racism and there is no misogyny in Trump. Ah, yes, the time honored, "No I'm not, you are." There's no embarrassment or shame in Trump but plenty of racism and misogyny.
I'm so sorry such lies are widely accepted these days. You only have to listen to what Trump says to know the nature of the man.
They are going to destroy the nation along with all the other Leftist anti-American policies. I think your judgment is blinded by your hate.
It's the Left that wants to control everybody economically and culturally, and that's fascism. Now you're confusing totalitarianism with fascism. Don't get me wrong, I'm opposed to both, but there *is* a difference. Not if you have a sense of real reality in America these days which unfortunately the Left does not and you've obviously bought into the Left hook, line and sinker. The reality of what Trump is doing to American institutions is very apparent.
Fascism is a form of totalitarianism... I'm afraid not.
...and that's where we're headed if the Left gets its way which it probably will only be too soon because we have such a miseducated population these days. Don't worry, if Bernie gets elected he'll send your grandkids to college for free.
I think all reasonable people on both the right and left are opposed to totalitarianism and fascism. Yes, in principle that is no doubt true, but in reality the Left is promoting policies that are fascistic and totalitarian and probably won't recognize it until it's too late. Well, lucky us that we have you to warn us about it.
And they won't recognize it then either, they'll just blame it on the right as usual since they have no ability whatever to understand what is really going on and what they are really doing in the name of their utopian idealisms. Yeah, that "love your fellow man" stuff is going to be the death of us. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: The President can't function if he's surrounded by enemies, such as from the previous administration by a member of the opposite party, or just people who are always in conflict with his policies for whatever reason. Yeah, those people he appointed himself were especially annoying. --Percy
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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He gets confused and thinks he's still on the Game Show.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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The precise one-sentence summary of what we’re seeing from Pennsylvania Avenue.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Some of the emails were not lost. Or they are available from her correspondents. Which would prove she'd had them on her computer.
I trust the sources, I just don't collect information very well, and it's been some time since I heard that. \\\\Mueller raised serious objections to Barr's memo about the report, the memo isn't consistent with the redacted report, Oh yes it was consistent. Barr even asked Mueller if he'd misrepresented it and Mueller said HE HAD NOT, that Mueller was just concerned about the media coverage. This attempt to discredit Barr is just another of the Left's ongoing efforts to bring down anyone at all who doesn't accept their party line.
and Barr dismissed Mueller's position that DoJ policy prohibits indicting a sitting president. Because that was a big fat red herring. If that were the reason not to indict Trump THERE WAS NO REASON TO HAVE THE INVESTIGATION AT ALL. The whole point of such an investigation is to find something criminal that could be charged against him. The fact is they FOUND BNOTHOIHNG. They didn't even say they found something but couldn't indict him as a sitting President which they could have done. They found nothing and then tried to make that rule out to be the reason they didn't report any criminal charges. Good grief the whole thing was just a corrupt partisan witch hunt I don't know how you keep believing any of it. So now they are trying to find something wrong with Barr. Well, of course, that's what they do. Things aren't as they like so they smear somebody who sees the reality for what it is.
These facts raised eyebrows at the time, and eyebrows are still raised. That episode seemed to reveal Barr as a Trump partisan You'vre bought the whole miserable corrupt nasty mess. Barr is fair and objective and in being fair and objective found that Trump was not guilty so of course since the Left says he's guilty even though there is no evidence for it and even though the Mueller report exonerated him they must smear anyone who says he is not guilty as a mere Trump partisan rather than the onnest man he is. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes he trusts people he should not have trusted. So?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yeah, that "love your fellow man" stuff is going to be the death of us. Yes it is. Whjerever it's geneuine it's delusional and will bankrupt the country, turning us into a third world swamp like, oh, Venezuela. But mostly it's just a way to put a ruling class into power and keep the rest of us under their boots. turning the country into a third world swamp like, oh, Venezuela. That's what Communism always does.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
He hired LOTS and LOTS of "people he should not have trusted ". But he said he hires only the best people!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Yet the reality is that social programs have not bankrupted any country and the US is already a third rate nation when it comes to health care, quality of life, life expectancy, equality ... just about any measurable statistic other than boorishness.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Yes he trusts people he should not have trusted. So?
really calls into question his judgement, why hire untrustworthy people for important government posts? Poor management skills.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Perhaps there's a better word for it but I mean to be talking about the ROLE of the President.... I think in the case of choosing his advisors and executive appointments maybe "prerogative" is a better choice. On the other hand, maybe it's still too strong a word when the choice still needs to be approved by the Senate or Congress?The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool. -- Richard Feynman
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