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slevesque
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Message 391 of 403 (603233)
02-03-2011 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 386 by jar
02-03-2011 1:07 PM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
I can also point out that there were quite a few Middle School girls that got pregnant back when I was in school; and the most sexually precocious girls I ever met were also also about 13-15. They scared the hell outta me.
That was long before SexEd had been invented so I cannot see that your position has much support other than confirmation bias.
I understand this can be a case of confirmation bias. That's why I'm saying ti's a hypothesis.

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xongsmith
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Message 392 of 403 (603234)
02-03-2011 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 384 by Artemis Entreri
02-03-2011 12:44 PM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
Artemis Entreri writes:
onifre writes:
From a more religious perspective, if it's a soul you're destroying, wouldn't the sperm and the egg both be carrying half the soul? Wouldn't destroying sperm and eggs be the same a destroying half a human soul every single time?
i don't know, you know catholicism as well as i do. sex is for procreation or its wrong. that is the rule. BTW I am a huge sinner, according to this rule. I am not aborting any human life though.
What about your co-sinner? Doesn't she have anything to say?
onifre writes:
How many half-human souls have been lost during the course of the average male's life? Or female's life?
a lot, more for males i would guess, but all those halves added up cannot make 1 human; and therefore not 1 soul either.
Nevermind the bad math...just 1 *could* do it.
It is in fact a heckuva lot more for males. hundreds of thousands of half-souls.
Here it is, folks: the definition that has been eluding us all these years.
Women only create a half-soul every full moon or so.
Men, on the other hand, everytime they masturbate, are using a Weapon of Mass Destruction! Imagine: everytime they whip it out, they are holding a WMD.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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onifre
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Message 393 of 403 (603238)
02-03-2011 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 392 by xongsmith
02-03-2011 1:22 PM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
Men, on the other hand, everytime they masturbate, are using a Weapon of Mass Destruction! Imagine: everytime they whip it out, they are holding a WMD.
"That's what she said" - Michael Scott
- Oni
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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onifre
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Message 394 of 403 (603241)
02-03-2011 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 384 by Artemis Entreri
02-03-2011 12:44 PM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
because one set is human and one set is not.
Sperm in my nut sack is not human? What is it? Amphibian? Talk about rapid evolution.
BTW I am a huge sinner, according to this rule. I am not aborting any human life though.
Then shut those legs sister and make sure he uses protection so you don't get pregnant. Oh wait, you don't get pregnant because you are a man? Then you'll never have to worry about making that decision. Which is the beauty of being a man; you can sin all up in her vag, never get pregnant, but judge her for her decisions of what to do with her body.
a lot, more for males i would guess, but all those halves added up cannot make 1 human;
What?! You've just claimed reproduction doesn't happen?
When a sperm and an egg unite, that is exactly what happens: the two halves unite to make a zygote(not a human obviously.)
- Oni

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ringo
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Message 395 of 403 (603249)
02-03-2011 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 388 by slevesque
02-03-2011 1:09 PM


Re: Safety is proactive
slevesque writes:
I am all for a parent talking to his children about sex, how it is not something you fool around with, at what point is someone ready to do it, etc. But the mechanics of it should not be taught as early as it is.
The mechanics of it don't need to be taught. Children can figure out for themselves how to do it. Even mice can figure out for themselves how to do it.
Teaching them how to do it is redundant. Telling them not to do it is futile. What they need to be taught is how to control the consequences.

"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 396 of 403 (603300)
02-03-2011 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 390 by slevesque
02-03-2011 1:16 PM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
slevesque writes:
That's why I'm saying, if people judge 12 years old is old enough for them to actually have intercourse, then I can understand wanting sex.ed to be done at that age. But if someone agrees with me that 12 years old is too young, then how can you justify sex.ed at that age, when it is contrary to what we do in all other aspects of life ?
so programs like keeping kids from smoking and drinking should be delayed until they are 18 (for smoking/dipping/chewing), and 21 (for alcohol consupmtion). maybe civics is a bad class, because you can't vote until you are 18 so you do not need to know about it. Since the penalty of most crimes is quite petty until you are 16-18 years old maybe we should not instruct people about the law until they are of that age?
I am talking about reproduction here, the natural product of intercourse.
I do not understand the logic of if someone isn't old enough to do something then they should be ignorant about it, especially in this information age that we live in. some kids learn to read before they learn it in school, is that wrong?
ringo writes:
Teaching them how to do it is redundant. Telling them not to do it is futile. What they need to be taught is how to control the consequences.
or they can just have an abortion
Edited by Artemis Entreri, : No reason given.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 397 of 403 (603302)
02-03-2011 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 394 by onifre
02-03-2011 1:58 PM


is this really onifre, or was his account hacked?
onifre writes:
Sperm in my nut sack is not human? What is it? Amphibian? Talk about rapid evolution.
that was a typo i meant "a human" not "not human cells", i can't proof read my own text at all.
Oh wait, you don't get pregnant because you are a man? Then you'll never have to worry about making that decision. Which is the beauty of being a man; you can sin all up in her vag, never get pregnant, but judge her for her decisions of what to do with her body.
i hate to make this assumption, but i guess you are being sarcastic, because I wasn't judging anyone. I made the assumption because you are usually spot on, instead of taking me out of context like this.
What?! You've just claimed reproduction doesn't happen?
When a sperm and an egg unite, that is exactly what happens: the two halves unite to make a zygote(not a human obviously.)
this has to be a joke, we weren't even talking about that, i have no idea where this strawman came from.

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crashfrog
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Message 398 of 403 (603309)
02-03-2011 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 367 by slevesque
02-03-2011 12:40 AM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
In my final 6th grade year, after they taught sex.ed. (which was around march), many girls in my class were losing their virginity with high school guys.
So, in other words, they were taught sex ed just at the time they most needed it, whereas you would have preferred that they not receive sex education for another four years after they started being sexually active.
How does that make any fucking sense at all?

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crashfrog
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Message 399 of 403 (603312)
02-03-2011 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 369 by slevesque
02-03-2011 2:05 AM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
As I said, sexual education is the sole thing that we teach before we think they are ready to actually do it.
Because teaching them after they're ready to do it exposes them to a dangerous time when they're ready to have sex, but don't know anything about it. I mean, you just gave the proof - clearly, your sex education came just in time for your female classmates, who were beginning sexual activity within months of the education.
That's pretty much the definition of "just in time", and if anything, proves that the education should have started even earlier.
We teach people how to drive when we feel they are ready to drive
No, we teach people to drive before they're ready to drive, that's why you have to go to driving school before you can get a driver's license - to make you ready to drive.
we teach them how to use a gun when we feel they are ready to use a gun
No, we teach people to use guns before they're ready to use guns, that's why you have to take a class to get a gun license - to make you ready to use a gun.
we teach them how to use a drill when we think they are ready to use a drill
No, we teach them to use drills before they're ready to use drills, because that's what makes you ready to use a drill - being taught how to use a drill safely.
If you wait until after someone starts doing something to show them how to do it safely, you expose them to considerable danger during the time they're engaged in the activity but don't know how to do it safely. Your notion of waiting four years after sexual activity begins to teach teens how to engage in sex safely is lunacy. Your own example proves what a terrible idea it is - your school barely educated your female classmates in time.

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crashfrog
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Message 400 of 403 (603315)
02-03-2011 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 385 by slevesque
02-03-2011 1:01 PM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
And in my opinion it is very logical: children reasonings seems to be very straightforward at time, and for a child, getting taught how to do something may very well appear like a green light that they are now at age to do it.
Weren't they? If they had the desire to, and the knowledge to do so safely, in what sense weren't they ready for sex?
And if they were ready, who on Earth are you to say otherwise? People act like the only reasonable goal in regards to the sexual health of teenagers is to make sure that they have no sex at all, but I don't see why that should be the case. (Interestingly enough the demographic with the largest incidence of new STD infections is the over-40 crowd pushing all this teenage abstinence messaging. followed closely by their over-65 parents. Seniors seem to think that condoms are for teenagers.)

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onifre
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Message 401 of 403 (603324)
02-03-2011 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 397 by Artemis Entreri
02-03-2011 5:06 PM


Re: is this really onifre, or was his account hacked?
i hate to make this assumption, but i guess you are being sarcastic, because I wasn't judging anyone.
True, I was generalizing at that point.
this has to be a joke, we weren't even talking about that
Then clarify what you meant by that unite stuff. Just saying, I ain't no mind reader. I try, sometimes fail. So help me out.
- Oni

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Taq
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Message 402 of 403 (603331)
02-03-2011 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 391 by slevesque
02-03-2011 1:20 PM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
I understand this can be a case of confirmation bias. That's why I'm saying ti's a hypothesis.
Fair enough. It is a touchy subject, don't get me wrong. However, the harm of educating a child too early is not nearly as bad as the harm of educating a child too late. Society has even changed since my high school days (coming up on my 20th reunion, yikes). In my area of the country they do have kids come home with a permission slip that parents have to sign before their kids can receive sex ed which seems like a very good compromise. At least this way it starts a discussion between child and parent, even if they do not sign the release.

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bluescat48
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Message 403 of 403 (603360)
02-04-2011 12:26 AM
Reply to: Message 386 by jar
02-03-2011 1:07 PM


Re: Bump For Abortion Issues
I fully agree. As stated earlier there was no sex ed at the time and virtually every 10 year old knew "how to do it" and a number of them did.

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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
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