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Author Topic:   Is the Bible the inerrant word of God? Or is it the words of men?
ringo
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Message 1447 of 2241 (747013)
01-11-2015 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1444 by Faith
01-11-2015 2:02 PM


Re: chapter and verse
Faith writes:
So if I'm civil they won't lie about what I said?
If anybody lies, it's easy to quote them and expose their lies. You might want to try that instead of just pounding the IDIOT! key with your clenched fist in every post.
The best way to drive your opponents crazy is to stay cool.

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ringo
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Message 1503 of 2241 (747095)
01-12-2015 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 1502 by Faith
01-12-2015 11:35 AM


Re: The sacrifice of Isaac shows the divine inspiration of scripture
Faith writes:
This site is considered to be the same place where Jesus was crucified
Is that the geographic equivalent of numerology?

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ringo
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Message 1633 of 2241 (747421)
01-15-2015 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1615 by Faith
01-14-2015 11:21 PM


Re: Jephthah again
Faith writes:
Jephthah could not possibly have expected a human being to come out of his house or he would not have made such a vow....
I think the phrase "to meet me" makes it clear that he did expect a human being. You don't expect the cows to come and meet you. You expect your wife and children.
And your interpretation trivializes the whole story. It's the equiivalent of Jephthah saying to God, "Hey, if you help me out I'll give you a nickel." His intent was clearly to give a special offering, not just a run-of-the-mill animal offering that he would have given anyway.

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ringo
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Message 1636 of 2241 (747428)
01-15-2015 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 1635 by Faith
01-15-2015 11:27 AM


Re: Jephthah again
Faith writes:
Jepthah could not possibly have promised the God of Israel a human sacrifice, since God condemns human sacrifice, unless he was completely out of his mind.
And yet the story is pretty clear that he did.

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Message 1712 of 2241 (747772)
01-19-2015 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1710 by Faith
01-19-2015 12:10 PM


Re: King Josiah's restoration of Israel to proper worship of their God
Faith writes:
Biblical Christians often point out how various disasters are God's judgments on us. You will not find any such thing in other religions.
On the contrary, practically every religion attributes disasters to the judgement of the gods. That's one of the main reasons religion exists.

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ringo
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Message 1724 of 2241 (747844)
01-20-2015 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1713 by Faith
01-19-2015 1:17 PM


Re: King Josiah's restoration of Israel to proper worship of their God
Faith writes:
However, let me remind you that I've been talking about the Creator God, and nobody ever claimed to have a covenant with Him except the Israelites.
No matter how many times you "remind" me, it's still nonsense. The primary function of all religions is to explain natural phenomena, both good and bad (e.g. good crops, bad crops). The main factor in all religions is a "relationship" with the gods, whether they are The One True God that you claim or what you call false gods or demons. All religions have their peculiar details but none stands out as unique, including Christianity.

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ringo
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Message 1728 of 2241 (747851)
01-20-2015 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1725 by Faith
01-20-2015 10:52 AM


Re: King Josiah's restoration of Israel to proper worship of their God
Faith writes:
Massive failure to make accurate distinctions I'd say.
We know what you'd say. It's still just your own empty opinion.
If you want to claim that Christianity is unique, you have to show that it's unique, not just say that its lapels are a millimeter wider than any other religion's.
Faith writes:
Very PC, which is devoted to making ridiculous false equivalences moral and otherwise between the most disparate ideologies.
It has nothing to do with political correctness. I haven't said a word about the "equivalence" of religions. I've simply pointed out that all religions have what you claim is unique to Christianity.
The ideologies may be disparate but only in detail, not in principle. You have said nothing substantial to the contrary.

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ringo
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Message 1730 of 2241 (747854)
01-20-2015 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1726 by Phat
01-20-2015 10:55 AM


Re: Peculiar People
Phat writes:
Christianity is unique in that God found us---we did not have to go seeking Him.
One hundred and eighty degrees wrong. Christianity - particularly the fundamentalist cults - requires more seeking than many other religions. Remember "Seek and ye shall find"?
In "primitive" religions, on the other hand, you're often born into your "relationship" with the gods just by being a member of the tribe (club).

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ringo
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Message 1731 of 2241 (747856)
01-20-2015 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1729 by Faith
01-20-2015 11:02 AM


Re: King Josiah's restoration of Israel to proper worship of their God
Faith writes:
Oh but I have, many times.
Every claim you have made has been shot down in flames. The problem with your approach is that you're trying to prove a negative, that "no other religion" is comparable to Christianity.
All you can say is, "Our cross is made of a different kind of wood." Then somebody points out that you are wrong and you say, "Well, our God is the only one with six toes," and somebody points out that you are wrong again. You can go on forever claiming insignificant differences but they're still insignificant.
The very fact that you're trying to prove a negative should set off alarm bells in your head.

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ringo
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Message 1733 of 2241 (747860)
01-20-2015 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1732 by Faith
01-20-2015 11:20 AM


Re: King Josiah's restoration of Israel to proper worship of their God
Faith writes:
Not from my point of view.
That's what I said; it's just your point of view. It has no truth value. You might as well try to "argue" that you like ice cream.
Nobody is disputing that your opinions are your opinions. What's being shown is that your point of view doesn't match reality. You're seeing pink unicorns when the reality is horses.

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ringo
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Message 1799 of 2241 (748046)
01-22-2015 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 1738 by Percy
01-20-2015 12:44 PM


Re: King Josiah's restoration of Israel to proper worship of their God
Percy writes:
I wasn't sure what you were saying here, so tell me if I'm clarifying correctly.
I'm just pointing out that Faith has been wrong on virtually every point about Christianity's uniqueness. What seems unique from her point of view is not really unique in the big picture. By analogy, your wife might be perfectly unique from your point of view but to the rest of us she isn't easily distinguishable from a thousand other wives.

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ringo
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Message 1863 of 2241 (748278)
01-24-2015 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1805 by NoNukes
01-22-2015 12:53 PM


Re: King Josiah's restoration of Israel to proper worship of their God
NoNukes writes:
Wives are a lot of things, but one thing they are not is fungible.
That's exactly my point: to anybody but the husband, they pretty much are.

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ringo
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Message 1910 of 2241 (748398)
01-25-2015 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1909 by Faith
01-25-2015 12:08 PM


Re: The Two and the Seven
Faith writes:
... when you simply trust it and wait without jumping to conclusions....
Trusting it without testing its accuracy IS jumping to a conclusion.

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ringo
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Message 1925 of 2241 (748465)
01-26-2015 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1915 by Faith
01-25-2015 8:25 PM


Re: The Two and the Seven
Faith writes:
The more you trust it and the more it comes through for you the more you trust it.
You're talking about a feedback loop. Nonetheless, you have to make that first leap of faith before you can get any feedback. That IS jumping to a conclusion, even if the conclusion is later confirmed.

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ringo
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Message 1928 of 2241 (748479)
01-26-2015 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1926 by Golffly
01-26-2015 11:49 AM


Re: Errors
Golffly writes:
So they had a bit of tendency to "copy" other accounts. Then add their own embellishments.
quote:
Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
I wonder who the Preacher copied that from.

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