"Amoral con man" and "incompetent boob" are the level of judgment on which Trump has been impeached according to Moose, which apparently in his mind among others rises to "high crimes and misdemeanors." See
Message 3957
So here's another response to the
Christianity Today article Percy excerpted in
Message 3693
Let’s grant this to the president: The Democrats have had it out for him from day one, and therefore nearly everything they do is under a cloud of partisan suspicion. This has led many to suspect not only motives but facts in these recent impeachment hearings.
No it hasn't, that's a low accusation. There are no facts worthy of impeachment.
And, no, Mr. Trump did not have a serious opportunity to offer his side of the story in the House hearings on impeachment.
But that's OK, right? Justice isn't required when we know we are right without it.
But the facts in this instance are unambiguous: The president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to harass and discredit one of the president’s political opponents.
That is false.
That is not only a violation of the Constitution; more importantly, it is profoundly immoral.
But it's false, only since there was no opportunity to hear the President's side you don't know that. But again, you know it's a "fact" without hearing the Presdient's side. There IS a proverb about how you may be persuaded by one person's story, but the whole thing may change when you hear the other side. Remember that one Mr. Galli? No, no need, the "facts" are clear enough without hearing the other side.
His Twitter feed alonewith its habitual string of mischaracterizations, lies, and slandersis a near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused.
My my. What Trump SAYS offends you enough to want to see him removed from office. And again we don't need to hear another viewpoint on this, yours is quite sufficient to judge the man as "morally lost and confused."
We believe the impeachment hearings have made it absolutely clear, in a way the Mueller investigation did not, that President Trump has abused his authority for personal gain and betrayed his constitutional oath.
How can you be so sure since you never heard arguments against this? "Absolutely clear?" I never thought much of CT anyway, but I certainly hope they fire you for violating all the rules of objective journalism as well as the Christian teaching against condemning a person, particularly without hearing exculpatory arguments.
The impeachment hearings have illuminated the president’s moral deficiencies for all to see.
All? No, you are one among your gang of critics, but at least half the country disagrees with you. The impeachment hearings have violated the Constitution by impeaching on the basis of made up offenses that didn't occur at all and don't rise even half an inch toward "high crimes and misdemeanors." And denying the President's side the right to argue in his defense violates a foundational principle of American justice.
This damages the institution of the presidency, damages the reputation of our country, and damages both the spirit and the future of our people.
Funny you haven't heard those who oppose the impeachment who judge the hearings as damaging the institution of Congress, the Constitutional form for impeachments, violating the balance of powers by treating the Presidency as their own lackey, and destroying the Constitution and our entire mode of government.
None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character.
YOu keep saying that, but what do you base it on? His tweets? Are you sure you have any idea what moral character is? Aren't you confusing it with disliking the man's personality? We've had some other rough characters for Presidents, such as LBJ perhaps, and Andrew Jackson perhaps. Oh and you should hear Mark Levin describe some of the doings of other Presidents far worse than Trump's that they got a pass on. Yeah I don't remember well enough to report them so take it or leave it.
That he should be removed, we believe, is not a matter of partisan loyalties but loyalty to the Creator of the Ten Commandments.
Really? Which of the Commandments do you have in mind? You haven't mentioned any and those you've hinted at he didn't commit. Even coercing a foreign government doesn't violate any of the commandments that I know of, and especially if he did it in his ordained capacity to defend the United States from corruptions in that government. But he didn't coerce anybody anyway.
To the many evangelicals who continue to support Mr. Trump in spite of his blackened moral record, we might say this:...Consider what an unbelieving world will say if you continue to brush off Mr. Trump’s immoral words and behavior in the cause of political expediency.
But we don't agree with you about "immoral words and behavior," what then Mr. Self Righteous? And we believe Trump acts in the interests of the wellbeing of the nation and not political expediency no matter what you think.
If we don’t reverse course now, will anyone take anything we say about justice and righteousness with any seriousness for decades to come?
Well this is very sad indeed since the injustice and unrighteousness are in fact on YOUR side and the House Democrats' side and the FBI leadership's side and Hilllary CLinton's side. If people in the future accept YOUR definition of justice and righteousness God help us.
Can we say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil that cannot be tolerated and, with the same straight face, say that the bent and broken character of our nation’s leader doesn’t really matter in the end?
Well I do have to rewrite your lying tendentious phrase and answer that I certainly can say with a straight face that abortion is a great evil and that what the Left has been doing to try to discredit and undermine Trump for three years now is an enormous travesty of justice.
To use an old clich, it’s time to call a spade a spade, to say that no matter how many hands we win in this political poker game, we are playing with a stacked deck of gross immorality and ethical incompetence.
Well, I'll agree that YOU are for sure, and Pelosi and Schiff are, and the House Democrats are and the Resistance are and the NeverTrumpers are and the FBI leaders are and Hillary Clinton . That's where the stacked deck is, that's where the immorality and ethical failures are.
And just when we think it’s time to push all our chips to the center of the table, that’s when the whole game will come crashing down. It will crash down on the reputation of evangelical religion and on the world’s understanding of the gospel.
I suspect that anything that crashes down on YOUR version of evangelicalism will be fine with me, and why would I want to preach a gospel based on the gross injustices that have been imposed on Trump?
And it will come crashing down on a nation of men and women whose welfare is also our concern.
Well you sound like a good Leftist with all that false piety and sanctimonious self righteousness. God help us if you represent much of today's evangelicalism.
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