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JonF
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Message 2165 of 5796 (853685)
05-30-2019 6:30 PM


Trump supporter admits she was ”surprised’ to learn Mueller’s report didn’t actually exonerate the president
quote:
In an interview with NBC News, Michigan Trump voter Cathy Garnaat said that she went to Rep. Justin Amash’s (R-MI) town hall this week to challenge his view that Trump should be impeached ” and she got caught off guard when he directly quoted from the Mueller report to justify his views.
“I was surprised to hear there was anything negative in the Mueller report at all about President Trump,” she admitted. “I hadn’t heard that before.”
Garnaat went on to explain that none of the news shows she watches or listens to have ever gone into depth about the contents of the Mueller report.
“I’ve mainly listened to conservative news and I hadn’t heard anything negative about that report and President Trump has been exonerated,” she explained.
'Nuff said.

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Message 2171 of 5796 (853696)
05-30-2019 9:41 PM
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05-30-2019 8:42 PM


Oh, certainly not.

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JonF
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Message 2172 of 5796 (853697)
05-30-2019 9:47 PM


Citizenship question on the Census.
A stroke of luck! ACLU Flags For SCOTUS New Evidence Issue In Census Case
The real reason for wanting to add a citizenship question to the Census is to increase the effectiveness of anti-liberal gerrymandering.
quote:
The challengers in the census citizenship case informed the Supreme Court on Thursday of an evidence issue ” in the form of new documents suggesting the question was added to boost GOP electoral advantages ” being dealt with currently at the trial court level.
“The new evidence reveals that Dr. Thomas Hofeller, a longtime redistricting specialist, played a significant role in orchestrating the addition of the citizenship question to the 2020 Decennial Census in order to create a structural electoral advantage for, in his own words, ”Republicans and Non-Hispanic Whites,’ and that Petitioners obscured his role through affirmative misrepresentations,” the letter from the challengers in the case said....
According to the documents released Thursday, Hofeller ” a go-to gerrymandering expert for the GOP who died last August ” was commissioned in 2015 by a Republican mega-donor to do a study on the effect of excluding noncitizens from redistricting. The study, which was never made public, concluded that such a redistricting overhaul “would be advantageous to Republicans and Non-Hispanic
Whites” and “would clearly be a disadvantage for the Democrats,” using the Texas legislature as a case study. It warned, however, that such an overhaul would be “unworkable” without a citizenship question being added to the census.
That study and other key Hofeller documents were only obtained by the challengers because his estranged daughter found his back-up hard drives while going through his belongings after his death.

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JonF
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Message 2181 of 5796 (853780)
05-31-2019 4:20 PM


Moronic Mexican tarrifs
The Washington Examiner is definitely right-wing (probably nowhere near enough for Faith) but known for solid reporting and sourcing.
Trump’s latest Mexico tariff gambit is reckless and mindbogglingly stupid
It's not long and it's worth reading.
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JonF
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Message 2186 of 5796 (853785)
05-31-2019 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 2183 by Faith
05-31-2019 4:23 PM


Re: Mueller lied either in that statement or to Barr
Mueller is not on record in discussions with Barr saying that in no way did the policy against indicting a sitting President enter into the judgments in the report.. Barr is on record claiming that, but he has no credibility after that letter about the Mueller report. Quote or link to your support for this claim.
They did not commit to not bringing charges against the rest of his organizations, and they brought many. On the obstruction issue they decided to impartially collect evidence but make no determinations, trusting authorized others (hint:Congress) to interpret that evidence. As we have been saying for days.
(BTW, there is some question whether Barr is an "authorized other". Why isn't he bound by the DoJ policy too?
There would have been nothing to stop Mueller from documenting whatever criminal behavior they did discover on Trump's part whether or not they could indict. Clearly he wants to encourage the Democrats to proceed with impeachment on the utter lack of any proof of criminal activity at all, so if he'd found any actual criminal acts he would have given them more ammunition if he'd stated them.
He did document whatever criminal behavior they did discover on Trump's part. He documented ten incidents with sufficient evidence to indict, as attested by nearly a thousand former Federal prosecutors of all stripes. There's strong evidence for indictment.

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JonF
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Message 2189 of 5796 (853788)
05-31-2019 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 2185 by Faith
05-31-2019 4:28 PM


Re: Moronic Mexican tarrifs
What do we import from mexico? - CBS News
  • The U.S. imported $372 billion worth of products from Mexico in 2018, more than our trade total with Canada. "U.S. trade with Mexico is basically all about cars," said one expert, with the U.S. importing $93 billion worth of cars or car parts last year, including $22 billion worth of car engines, $5 billion in car seats and $5 billion in chassis.
  • Second to cars is tech equipment, including $26 billion of computers and computer parts, semiconductors and software.
  • Americans also imported $6.7 billion worth of vegetables and $5.3 billion of fruit and nuts from Mexico.
https://www.cnbc.com/...s-mexico-tariffs-could-cost-you.html
quote:
Experts, including White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow, say American consumers can expect to pay the price as U.S. businesses pass on increased costs. The U.S. imported $346.5 billion worth of goods from Mexico in 2018, according to government data, meaning a 5% tariff will cost over $17 billion.
Stocks plunged Friday after Trump’s announcement. The Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 300 points, the S&P 500 fell 1.2% and the Nasdaq Composite was down 1.3%....
Top imports from Mexico, according to the government, include vehicles (including passenger cars), machinery (including flat-screen TVs), mineral fuels and medical instruments. Mexico is also the U.S.’s largest agricultural importer, which means the following foods will likely become more expensive:
Fresh vegetables, including asparagus, cauliflower, celery, kale and lettuce
Fresh fruit, including avocados, berries, dates, figs, kiwis, pineapples and tomatoes
Wine and beer
Snack foods
Processed fruit and vegetables
Business Insider reports that the tariffs could have significant impact on the avocado trade, with the U.S. importing 85% of its Hass avocados from Mexico last year. Chipotle stock dropped 3% on Friday, as investors worried about how the restaurant chain would be impacted by the increased avocado costs.
Mark Hamrick, senior economic analyst at Bankrate.com, says imposing tariffs to fix an immigration problem is akin to “fielding a baseball team for a football game. It doesn’t compute and is likely counter-productive.”
Hope you don't eat a lot of guac.
Continued...
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JonF
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Message 2195 of 5796 (853795)
05-31-2019 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 2188 by Faith
05-31-2019 4:52 PM


Re: Mueller lied either in that statement or to Barr
So, on record three times and you can't come up with one. I understand. See below.
From Fox News Gregg Jarrett: The two faces of Robert Mueller, and Trump's presumption of guilt
quote:
Here’s what Barr told Senators during his May 1st testimony:
quote:
“We were frankly surprised that they were not going to reach a decision on obstruction and we asked them a lot about the reasoning behind this. Mueller stated three times to us in that meeting, in response to our questioning, that he emphatically was not saying that but for the OLC opinion he would have found obstruction.”

That's Barr going on record. Mueller’s not on record, Barr's on record claiming what Mueller said. As I said.
Bar's impugned himself in his writing and sworn testimony. But note that RedState is typical of the lying right-wing sites: Mueller told Barr THREE Times His Non-Decision On Obstruction Had Nothing To Do With OLC. At least they admit it's second-hand in the article. But they had you at "Mueller told Barr", righr?
Dinner calls...
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JonF
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Message 2211 of 5796 (853821)
06-01-2019 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 2196 by Faith
05-31-2019 5:29 PM


Re: Mueller lyed either in that statement or to Barr
WHY ON EARTH THERE WAS AN INVESTIGATION AT ALL SINCE INVESTIGATING THE CLAIM OF CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR IS SUPPOSEDLY THE WHOLE POINT OF SUCH AN INVESTIGATION.
Mueller investigated criminal behavior. That was the point.
With all the innuendo, however, insinuating criminality where he'd found none,
No innuendo. Facts. Undeniable criminal behavior. And a policy that Mueller felt prevented him from acting on that undeniable criminal behavior.
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JonF
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Message 2212 of 5796 (853822)
06-01-2019 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 2205 by AZPaul3
05-31-2019 8:27 PM


Re: Mueller lyed either in that statement or to Barr
McConnell would never allow a trial in the Senate. But impeachment could bring out many more incriminating facts that would sway some undecideds without affecting Faith and her ilk at all.

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JonF
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Message 2213 of 5796 (853823)
06-01-2019 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 2207 by Faith
05-31-2019 10:38 PM


Re: Mueller lyed either in that statement or to Barr
Actions in office? They were threatening to impeach him BEFORE he was in office.
Nope. You are confusing that with the Republican's stated intent to impeach Hillary before she took office.
ABE: Waters did say that *IF* Trump were found to be guilty of some of what people were accusing him of he should be impeached.
ABE 2: Some Republicans are discussing their plans for President Clinton ” starting with impeachment
quote:
Senior Republican lawmakers are openly discussing the prospect of impeaching Hillary Clinton should she win the presidency, a stark indication that partisan warfare over her tenure as secretary of state will not end on Election Day.
Chairmen of two congressional committees said in media interviews this week they believe Clinton committed impeachable offenses in setting up and using a private email server for official State Department business.
And a third senior Republican, the chairman of a House Judiciary subcommittee, told The Washington Post he is personally convinced Clinton should be impeached for influence peddling involving her family foundation. He favors further congressional investigation into that matter.
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JonF
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Message 2214 of 5796 (853825)
06-01-2019 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 2185 by Faith
05-31-2019 4:28 PM


Re: Moronic Mexican tarrifs
Can't you just paraphrase the main points?
I think I fixed the link.
quote:
First, in the most direct way, raising tariffs on Mexico will mean a tax increase of up to 25% on American families and businesses purchasing any products from Mexico, one of the U.S.' leading trade partners.
Secondly, this threat comes as the Trump administration was jump-starting the approval process for the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement that Trump previously touted as a major trade victory, but that has yet to be officially ratified. This will surely disrupt that process.
Thirdly, the whole justification for the previous administration's [should be "administration's previous "-- JonF] tariffs has been that they were all part of a broader strategy to negotiate better trade deals. Yet in this case, Trump is trying to lump trade in with cracking down on illegal immigration, which is a separate issue even if it could be argued there is a relationship between the two.
Fourthly, it's difficult to see how this would facilitate containing illegal Mexican immigration. The surest way that Mexico has to reducing the desire of Mexicans to leave for America is to improve the Mexican economy, which would be immensely more difficult in the midst of a trade war with the U.S.
Fifthly, it's unclear what the metric will be for determining whether "the Illegal Immigration problem is remedied." Does that mean no illegal immigration from Mexico? A reduction by a certain percentage? I suppose we'll have to leave that to the White House staffers tasked with translating Trump's insane tweets into official policy language.
All direct quotes.
ABE in fact NAFTA, which is still in force, forbids these tariffs. But Trump is hell-bent on convincing the world that the US cannot be trusted to honor commitments.
it seems worth it to me to apply some kind of pressure on Mexico to stop the flood of illegals.
Legal asylum seekers mostly.
What do you expect Mexico to do in a month? In two? In six?
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JonF
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Message 2215 of 5796 (853827)
06-01-2019 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 2201 by DrJones*
05-31-2019 5:50 PM


Re: Mueller lyed either in that statement or to Barr
what criminal charge was brought against clinton?
One was obstruction of justice.
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JonF
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Message 2216 of 5796 (853829)
06-01-2019 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 2209 by Faith
05-31-2019 11:40 PM


Re: Mueller lyed either in that statement or to Barr
He acts llke an innocent man too.
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Message 2219 of 5796 (853836)
06-01-2019 1:28 PM
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06-01-2019 1:03 PM


Re: Mueller lyed either in that statement or to Barr
Impeachment.

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JonF
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Message 2233 of 5796 (853852)
06-01-2019 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 2232 by Faith
06-01-2019 5:15 PM


Re: Errors in judgment of guilt
Do you eat shellfish? Mix meat and dairy?

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