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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
AdminModulous writes: If hooah performs some act that merits a suspension, the correct procedure is to notify us in the appropriate thread. Whining non-specifically won't change anything. Did hooah's PNT merit a one week suspension, or are you in support of the suspension simply because you don't like hooah? So how would define a debate forum troll? Does Hooah fit that description? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
PaulK writes: Moose posted a message worse than most of Hooah's "offenses", and handed out a full week's suspension for no apparent reason other than posting a topic that Moose didn't like. If a creationist received the same treatment you would be screaming to high heaven at the unfairness of it. LoL, Paul. You've never been at the receiving end of Hooah's meanspirited trollish messages, most of which equal or pass what Moose posted. Adminnemooseous has been quite lenient with Hooah. The lengthy suspension, like when he suspended Jar a while back was not because of a single message. It was the ongoing trollish nature of their MO that served to deserve the belated action of a moderator. These lengthy suspensions occur regularly with creationists. When have I ever aired complaints on any of them? How about you citing otherwise to support your allegations? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: I don't favour unfair treatment for those who attack me.
quote: A week's suspension for no apparent reason is hardly lenient. Especially when accompanied by a contentless personal attack placed in a topic proposal of all places.
quote: Do you deny complaining about so-called "biased" moderation ?
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AdminModulous Administrator Posts: 897 Joined:
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So how would define a debate forum troll? There's no singular definitive description. The general guideline might be to say a troll is someone who expresses a viewpoint insincerely with a view purely to garnering significant response or fostering intercommunity arguments. The more of a storm they can cause, the better. It is possible to troll evolutionists here quite easily. Unfortunately it would simply be by posting lots of creationist talking points so they would be largely undetectable. See Poe's Law for ancillary information. Creationists here are very hard to troll in the larger sense of the term. There are few of them so any response won't be particularly impressive. And again, the most straightforward way to do it if you were interested would be to simply raise evolutionist talking points. So again, they would be largely undetectable.
Does Hooah fit that description? Not that I have seen. I would not regard him as the ideal debater, and I can see why you dislike him. But trolls are not people that are merely unpleasant to others, or are disliked by someone.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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Perhaps if Adminemooseous's actions, over the years, had not been as fair and blanced, you'd not see it as you do here. Well, I think you're misunderstanding my critique of Moose simply because the only lens through which you judge moderator action is whether they hammer my side just as much as yours. I'm talking about something that is beyond sides; I think Moose's problem was that he was a bit of a sleeping bobcat - for a week or two at a time there'd be no indication that he was even following the board, some situation would slowly devolve over a couple of days, and then finally Moose would bestir himself to hand out suspensions based entirely on one or two most recent messages, completely divorced from context. There was just no telling what would set Moose off, but once he was, you could rely on him taking exactly the wrong action. I'd be surprised if there was any moderator so frequently overruled as Moose.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
There's too much analysis going on under the subtitle "An Ill Treated Moose's Last Straw."
I'm changing to a new subtitle to honor Moose, who always encouraged us to use appropriate subtitles. I suspect this was a simple case of MUI (or MWI if you prefer that acronym). Here the "M" stands for "moderating" and I am using the acronyms in analogy with "DUI" and "DWI".Jesus was a liberal hippie
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
If that is the case, has he too much pride to admit as such? I can think, off the top of my head, of a fair number of us who come back the next day with a "sorry guys, had a few too many last eve" and that is that. But Moose left after this charade. Why he left is unbeknownst to all of us, but it says a lot.
Mythology is what we call someone else’s religion. Joseph Campbell
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
AdminModulous writes: So how would define a debate forum troll? There's no singular definitive description. The general guideline might be to say a troll is someone who expresses a viewpoint insincerely with a view purely to garnering significant response or fostering intercommunity arguments. The more of a storm they can cause, the better. It is possible to troll evolutionists here quite easily. Unfortunately it would simply be by posting lots of creationist talking points so they would be largely undetectable. See Poe's Law for ancillary information. Creationists here are very hard to troll in the larger sense of the term. There are few of them so any response won't be particularly impressive. And again, the most straightforward way to do it if you were interested would be to simply raise evolutionist talking points. So again, they would be largely undetectable. Does Hooah fit that description? Not that I have seen. I would not regard him as the ideal debater, and I can see why you dislike him. But trolls are not people that are merely unpleasant to others, or are disliked by someone. I see now why you defended our Hooah troll. What your lengthy biased explanation ( hardly a definition} better describes debating because, as you know, in debate boards people judge debaters on how correct [i]they think the other is[i]. Others would not agree and debate otherwise. It's called debating, whether one's paradigm is correct or not. It could be judged by trolling, but you know how that goes as to where debating leaves off. .Thats where bias is rife in most boards. A more concise definition of a debate forum troll is as I cited from the link. The term originated in Norway in a folk tale where the troll prevented the movement across the bridge. He would jump out from under it and demand a toll before crossing. He contributed nothing in the process. In debate forums, it could be members on either side of the isle Here at EvC, we have a few who post their nasty little one or two one liners or repetitively demand what has already addressed, complaining if they don't get a response. I am doing a little study on how many trollish messages my Cavediver science thread garnered per page. Perhaps I'll do a thread on it. We can seriously study what trolls are, who they are and how frequently they stall movement of that lengthy thread. We can see which side of the isle does the most of this. I could do the same with the last Exodus thread where I get blamed by Admin and some of the trolls themselves for it's length etc. AdminModulous, imo, this is why you suspended Adminnemooseous who saw Hooah as a troll. Imo, if the moderators would recognize trolls for what the are and do, the long dragged out threads would be more concise, interesting and objective. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
My understanding of the meaning of "troll" is the same as Modulus and the usual derivation is not from the mythical beasties, but from an alternate spelling of "trawl" (as in "trolling for flames").
quote: Given the fact that the thread was mainly composed of your attempts to deny the obvious fact that your ideas were in conflict with thermodynamics - a fact already established in earlier discussions - I somehow doubt that the study will be in any way objective.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
A more concise definition of a debate forum troll is as I cited from the link. The term originated in Norway in a folk tale where the troll prevented the movement across the bridge. He would jump out from under it and demand a toll before crossing. He contributed nothing in the process.
Whereof is this link you claim to have posted. The only link you posted on ths thread about this subject is a dead link. Your understanding of the derivation of the term troll for the internet is wrong. It comes from the fishing troll not the mythical creature troll. It has been turned around to be a noun but it has a different meaning than the troll you are citing. If you do have any evidence to your claim please post the link. Claiming you already posted a link is not sufficient.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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AdminModulous Administrator Posts: 897 Joined: |
I see now why you defended our Hooah troll. Except for the part where I defended neither Hooah nor trolls.
What your lengthy biased explanation ( hardly a definition} better describes debating because... I do believe that I said
quote: And went on to explain how good trolls can make their efforts indistinguishable from standard debating at a forum such as this.
A more concise definition of a debate forum troll is as I cited from the link. The term originated in Norway in a folk tale where the troll prevented the movement across the bridge. He would jump out from under it and demand a toll before crossing. He contributed nothing in the process. I'm not sure which link you are referring to, but the prevailing wisdom is that the term actually derives from from fishing, rather than from Norwegian folklore. Getting them confused is common enough.
AdminModulous, imo, this is why you suspended Adminnemooseous who saw Hooah as a troll. I've have already given the reason why I suspended AdminMoose, but you are free to be of the opinion that I was being deceitful.
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
My definition does not rely upon any etiology.
Troll: anyone out to make trouble It isn't uncommon for someone to unintentionally make trouble, and I call this "trollish behavior." --Percy
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Percy writes: Troll: anyone out to make trouble It isn't uncommon for someone to unintentionally make trouble, and I call this "trollish behavior." The bonafide trolls see Buzsaw as the troll. You and the trolls see me as the perpetrator of undue lengthy creationists threads such as the Exodus threads, the Cavediver et al thread, etc. I get blamed for their trollish posts which accounts for a lot of the thread bandwidth. Adminnemooseous would have seen it differently than AdminPd did. He knew and attempted to diminish the activity of the real trolls. Admin PD saw me as the troll when she suspended me. It was my on topic message, responded by two trollish ones which got me suspended. When I finish my study on this I'll air the results. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future. Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
The bonafide trolls see Buzsaw as the troll.
I don't see you as a troll (note: this is not accepting your claim that I am a troll), you're just arrogant and ignorant. You don't meant to cause trouble, it just follows in the wake of your poor performance in the threads you participate in.God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.- Buzsaw Message 177 It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in mindssoon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Are the trolls really trolling the trolls if they are trolling the trolling trolls? It is the trolls who are the trolls and the Buz who is not trolling the trolling trolls? Then who was phone? Ah HA! It is the trolls who are trolling Buz and Buz is not trolling! Everyone else is a troll and Buz is not trolling trolls?
God damn I need my reddit fix......Mythology is what we call someone else’s religion. Joseph Campbell
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