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Author | Topic: Is the Bible the inerrant word of God? Or is it the words of men? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Golffly Member (Idle past 3112 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
Sorry faith. I was sure you did. I can't look back at present (no time), but I changed it.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3112 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
Faith writes: But of course if you won't even take what is written in the Bible as any kind of authority whatever, even that it simply was written as it was written, we have no grounds for having any kind of discussion at all. jar writes: But what does the Bible actually say Faith? I even posted the relevant passages in the story since it did not seem that you had read the Bible. The story not only shows that Jephthah not only promised a human sacrifice but that his daughter understood and agreed that he had done so and that he DID BBQ the girl. Edited by Golffly, : No reason given.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3112 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
These could be looked upon as a form of human sacrifice:
2 Chronicles 34:1-5Josiah ... did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord ... And he burnt the bones of the priests upon their altars. IKings 13:2And he cried against the altar in the word of the LORD, and said, O altar, altar, thus saith the LORD; Behold, a child shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he offer the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall be burnt upon thee. It's odd anyway.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3112 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
jar writes: Not really and you are doing the same thing Faith is doing, taking stuff out of context to support your position. Well, not purposefully anyway. Mostly for brevity here. ( and I felt the context didn't change my meaning)Human bones burnt on an altar. It "smells" of some type of sacrifice. Not sure though.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3112 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
no nukes writes:
Sounds instead like a cremation with some accompanying ceremony. Could just as easily be. I think I read too much into it, or not enough into it. Not sure, in retrospect, I was justified.I've done that before, and likely will again))) Edited by Golffly, : No reason given.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3112 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
Jar what do you make of this:
Ezekial 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live; 20:26 And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the LORD. Now, I have read this in full context. I'm not, purposely at least, cherry picking to suit a cause. I may inadvertently do that, as I've suggested. Does this say that god is getting children to be sacrificed. to reduce a population presumably or show he is god. Or do I read too much in or not well enough?What is your take is my question?
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3112 days) Posts: 287 Joined:
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In reference to jar:
faith writes: Anybody who can read the Bible knows you are full of it. Just a little while ago you tried to suggest two equals seven because two was part of seven as per your bible understanding.Then you tried to suggest their wasn't a child sacrifice in Judges, even though it's clearly stated. It's hard when you don't accept any evidence outside the bible, and you don't accept what the bible actually says either.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3112 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
faith writes: Massive failure to make accurate distinctions I'd say. Very PC, which is devoted to making ridiculous false equivalences moral and otherwise between the most disparate ideologies. Consider reading Percy's multiple comments.Any difference from your religion and others don't prove you are right any more than from their perspective, your religion is different and therefore wrong. According to The Quran, you are going to hell. So does the similarity to Christianity ( not believing the main prophet results in hell) mean that is true. Or do you get to add a caveat to say it's not true, but then have no evidence to discern why. You can't explain similarities to other religions and why they would matter, any better than you can explain why differences matter.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3112 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
jar writes:
Well, no, not quite. As a Christian Faith is a "people of the Book" and so not subject to going to hell unless it is deserved based on behavior. Well, not according to the Quran in a number of places. If a person is aware of Mohammed and doesn't accept him- you go to hell.I suspect rather than reading what it says, if we do a "Faith" on it, then like the bible, we can get it to say whatever fits. So I am sure there are ways around the issue. :-))) Which in fitting with this topic, is also identical to Christianity.. ways around any issue.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3112 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
jar writes: Correct. It is possible to cherry pick pieces parts to prove whatever you want. But real history is complicated and never black & white, When the Christians expelled the Jews from Spain it was a Muslim Caliph who sent ships for them and welcomed them. All I know is if you don't accept Mohammed every bad thing happens. I can't recall a single time every reading in the Quran where it allows some conservative judgment. Not accepting him was always a resulting severe penalty either then or after life.So, it's not really cherry picking. But then it's like the bible. The multiple OT god characters show in quite an unambiguous way that god is kind of a tyrant. However, many. most Christians will say he is kind and loving and forgiving.. despite the bible showing the opposite.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3112 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
phat writes: Christianity is unique in that God found us---we did not have to go seeking Him. Like every other religion.Reminds me of con artists finding victims. Seems the supply of gullible is large. I should add god generally goes about it in an interesting way. He finds the correct parents, in the correct geographic area and then they generally get a child with the correct religion. So he finds us most times in a round about way. Started planning it this way in Genesis no doubt and pretended it was obvious to those with the ability to read, not the words so much, but other ways that can't be explained or demonstrated in a measurable way. Ends up crystal clear though. That much is certain. Edited by Golffly, : No reason given.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3112 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
Faith, just prove the twelve tribes aren't like the horoscope and mean something to a god.
Then prove Mohammed isn't sending you to hell. Your comments might be meaningful then. You understand differences in religion can be looked at from your side and the other religious side? Not thinking you do actually. And your religious tall tales look the same as every other religions tall tales. The only difference is you believe one tale and not another tall tale.Try applying your tall tale objectivity to other religions, to your own perhaps.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3112 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
faith writes: Golly gee whiz and ya don't say, no it would never have occurred to me that people see things from their own side. Gosh what a revelation.Only as I keep saying, the truth of the Bible shines out above all the others. That's a big part of why I became a Christian, I read a bunch of the other stuff first. Lots of Hinduism, Buddhism, occultism, gnosticism. The Bible has authenticity, the other religions are clearly nothing like it. But as I said, it takes discernment, and that's a gift of God. Why do you think you can't demonstrate anything different than any other religion ?You were looking for some bunk and it found you.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3112 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
faith writes: It's been demonstrated here in dozens of ways, but it does take discernment and an honest willingness to really think about what has been presented. You haven't demonstrated anything.You'd do fine in any religion at all. The ability to accept without evidence, just defines you as a fine example of what happens when a person stops logical thought. Any religion at all, and you'd be a superb member.
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Golffly Member (Idle past 3112 days) Posts: 287 Joined: |
faith writes: Oh aren't you just the last word in knowing everything, hey? Can't teach YOU anything that's for sure. You aren't unique. You're typical of any religious extremist. Unsupported claims, inability to prove anything but certain you have the truth.It's ubiquitous. I have learned a fair bit here actually, there are some superb posters here.
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