Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread

If course. We expect to be punished for it by this evil government.

Never said any such thing. Criticize him all you want, but do it with the facts and stop the PC propaganda namecalling.

I can't believe the illogic you will sink to. The Jews were in danger of being murdered, duh. The illegal immigrants are simply doing something illegal.

Golly what a rant. The fact is Christians have already been punished for opposing gay marriage, with fines and the loss of businesses. It's not something that's GOING TO happen, it HAS happened, because of the law requiring acceptance of gay marriage. As long as no one challenges us on it we won't be punished (it's interesting that no Muslim businesses have been challenged although they could be because they also reject gay marriage), but all you have to do is ask us to do something to help celebrate a gay marriage and sue us for refusing and there you have it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

That's not true. I didn't get to find out what waterboarding actually does until way into the excuse for a discussion about it that went on here, then finally somebody informed me, inadvertently I think, that it gives the sensation of suffocation, and I suppose could even lead to suffocation. How was not discussed. Nor was any opinion by experts offered. No facts about waterboarding until then, just a lot of rhetoric about how evil Trump is for supporting it, how unchristian it proves him to be and all that typical ad hominem leftist propaganda rot. And by the way once you've applied the label evil or the equivalent to a political opponent how would you go about justifying it anyway? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I could be wrong since I don't listen to all the debates or political rhetoric, but my impression is that nobody is as bold about it as Trump and I like his boldness and his willingness to face down the PC accusations such as "xenophobic" that are hurled at him. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Oh, how EVIL of him! That IS your point, isn't it?

My effort in this entire discussion has been to object to Political Correctness as the left's favorite form of "debate" and to try to show how it operates in the thinking of the posters on this topic here, when discussing Trump's views of illegal immigration, or the Right's views in general for that matter, or the Right's view of gay marriage, or even what Trump said about waterboarding. I tried to make it clear that I'm not into discussing the issues themselves, I just want to get across that PC is a pernicious form of thought and doesn't belong in any intellectual discourse of any kind. Yes, the issues should be discussed instead, but that's not my purpose here, my purpose is to highlight the evil doctrine of PC and how the left uses it all the time as if it were a legitimate form of debate. And Theodoric's post is a brilliant piece of Perfect PC so I had to give it a prize.Let me try again to get across what I've been saying all along:

• PC pretends to read the mind of the opponent, and imputes evil motives to them. In most contexts even leftists would agree that this is improper in debate, but not when it comes to left versus right debate.
• So for instance we hear how evil Trump is for supporting waterboarding, rather than merely wrong, with facts offered to show why wrong. We're told his motive is "revenge," as if you can read his mind, not simply the desire to find a method to extract information that would support national security. And if he still thinks it acceptable he's really really evil and very decidedly not merely wrong. In fact he's a "sociopath." And you think this sort of rhetoric belongs in political discourse. And you are asking if such accusations are the truth?
• PC for instance labels those who oppose illegal immigration "racists" and "xenophobes" and "haters" as if you know their innermost thoughts. Their reasons for opposing it are hardly discussed, because they are dismissed as evil reasons and that's that, since you can of course read their minds and don't need to think about their reasoning as respectable rational thought at all. Again you want to know if such intrusive slanderous labels are the real truth.
• PC labels those who oppose gay marriage as "homophobes" and "haters" and deniers of equality, even if they strongly support equality otherwise, and give no signs of the emotion of hate and have lots of homosexual friends. No, you know by the mere fact that they oppose gay marriage that they are evil people with evil sociopathic motives. You know you can read their minds.
• It prevents civilized discourse, can even deny freedom of speech, by morally condemning and silencing people of certain opinions, instead of respectfully dealing with the opinion as the product of rational thought as civilized people used to be taught to do.
• It is nothing but personal attack, fingerpointing moral condemnation, and doesn't belong in any debate.
• PC creates classes of people on the basis of one-issue reductionistic "analysis" -- the good guys and the bad guys; the evil ones you disagree with, and the perfect good ones who share your views. You should know from history that those regarded as evil by enough of the self-righteous become subject to social sanctions of various degrees.
• It is lying leftist propaganda against the right; its source is Cultural Marxism
  
• Like all propaganda it uses emotion-laden terms to arouse emotional reactions of condemnation rather than reasoning intended to further thought about the issues.
• It is a form of pernicious slander on the level of Nazi propaganda against the Jews, and you want to know if it's true?
  

I think I may have forgotten some other things I said about PC, so if I remember them I'll come back and add them.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

No wonder nobody here sees the evidence for the Flood. You don't know what evidence is.

Very nice piece of PC slander.

The Protestant Reformers identified the papacy as the seat of the Antichrist based on its false doctrine and multiple contradictions with scripture, and embrace of pagan religions. Each Pope is Antichrist in his turn. Eventually there will be a final one who resumes ruling the world as the medieval Popes did.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You can take that up with the courts that punished the five or six Christian businesses with fines for refusing to cater to gay weddings.

Yes, of course they broke the law and of course they were punished. Obviously the law no longer protects Christians.This has been discussed here many times. If I can find a post listing those businesses I will reference it. It was a florist, I think in New Mexico, two or three bakeries, one in Oregon, one in Colorado, a photographer, I think in Arizona, at least. Also a pizza business somewhere in the South but Christians rallied to save them.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'm soooooooo sorry I have to correct you as usual. I did make comments about the issues from time to time and wish I hadn't because it wasn't what I was interested in. You should have noted that I didn't say I didn't discuss them at all, only that it was the PC topic that was my focus.Also I'm not just talking about personal attacks as such, I'm talking about POLITICAL CORRECTNESS which I've described in Message 837. I don't care all that much if you call someone stu-pid, I'm talking about POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, which is a special brand of propaganda/slander.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Your PC presumptuous mindreading of his words, not anything he actually said.