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Faith 
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Message 916 of 1639 (778586)
02-22-2016 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 914 by Dr Adequate
02-21-2016 10:38 PM


Re: What would Jesus do?
Better theologians than you support the death penalty for murder. And besides the Mosaic Law we also and most particularly have the law given to Noah by God: whoever sheds man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed, because he is the image of God.

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Message 917 of 1639 (778587)
02-22-2016 12:30 AM
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02-22-2016 12:17 AM


Re: What would Jesus do?
Better theologians than you support the death penalty for murder.
Well, that's a matter of opinion. But I would say that no-one would be a good theologian if and when he used your particular argument --- that Jesus would support the death penalty for murder because it was in the Mosaic Law --- since the same argument fails if you apply it to adultery. An argument that breaks down in one instance should not be relied on in another.
And besides the Mosaic Law we also and most particularly have the law given to Noah by God: whoever sheds man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed, because he is the image of God.
Also there's the law given to Noah about not eating flesh with the blood in it.

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Message 918 of 1639 (778588)
02-22-2016 12:50 AM
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02-22-2016 12:30 AM


Re: What would Jesus do?
Then here's the clincher: NONE of the Mosaic Law was rescinded in any real sense, no "jot nor tittle" of it as Jesus said, but every dot and comma is to be fulfilled, and the way that happens is that Jesus' death on the cross fulfilled it all for us.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 919 of 1639 (778589)
02-22-2016 12:58 AM


Welp. This thread is dead.

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NoNukes
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Message 920 of 1639 (778590)
02-22-2016 1:09 AM
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02-22-2016 12:50 AM


Re: What would Jesus do?
but every dot and comma is to be fulfilled, and the way that happens is that Jesus' death on the cross fulfilled it all for us.
Don't you mean "and the way that happened?"
Just which side of the argument is this phrase supposed to support. Doesn't it support the proposition that you yourself are no longer bound by Mosaic law? After all, Jesus death on the cross and his resurrection was completed over 2000 years ago. Isn't that the time of the law's fulfillment?
Does this make it easier to explain why Trump told that story of killing 49 out of 50 prisoners of war and sending the 50th one home to tell the tale? I don't think so, but perhaps you have an explanation.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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Message 921 of 1639 (778591)
02-22-2016 1:51 AM
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02-22-2016 1:09 AM


Re: What would Jesus do?
but every dot and comma is to be fulfilled, and the way that happens is that Jesus' death on the cross fulfilled it all for us.
Don't you mean "and the way that happened?"
Just which side of the argument is this phrase supposed to support. Doesn't it support the proposition that you yourself are no longer bound by Mosaic law? After all, Jesus death on the cross and his resurrection was completed over 2000 years ago. Isn't that the time of the law's fulfillment?
I don't get what you are saying here. Yes I am no longer under the Mosaic Law because Jesus paid for my sins against it.
Does this make it easier to explain why Trump told that story of killing 49 out of 50 prisoners of war and sending the 50th one home to tell the tale? I don't think so, but perhaps you have an explanation.
I'm not trying to explain the story, or I've already explained it as far as I intend to. I don't recall any connection between these two subjects.
I hope you like Downton Abbey, I've been rather addicted to it and am watching it from the beginning again.

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Message 922 of 1639 (778592)
02-22-2016 1:54 AM
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02-22-2016 12:58 AM


No thread is ever really dead. You can revive the original topic pretty soon I think. The digression has gone on way too long but I think that is about dead too.

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Message 923 of 1639 (778593)
02-22-2016 7:23 AM


Topic Reminder
For anyone interested in discussing the topic, the South Carolina Democratic primary is this Saturday, February 27th. Then next week on March 1st is Super Tuesday, when Alabama, Alaska (Republican only), American Samoa, Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont and Virginia hold primaries.
A few possible discussion subtopics:
  • Why is Trump so appealing?
  • Can Trump be stopped?
  • Has Hillary halted the Sanders momentum?
  • How long before it's effectively decided given that California with its 172 delegates doesn't vote until June 7th?
Edited by Admin, : Typo.

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NoNukes
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Message 924 of 1639 (778595)
02-22-2016 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 921 by Faith
02-22-2016 1:51 AM


Re: What would Jesus do?
I don't get what you are saying here. Yes I am no longer under the Mosaic Law because Jesus paid for my sins against it.
So quit citing Mosaic law as an argument.
I don't recall any connection between these two subjects.
I've already explained it as far as I intend to
As I recall, the question came up because of people questioned that executions were not Christlike. I understand why you cannot address the question though. There is no real answer that an evangelical Christians can use that helps explain their attraction to Trump regardless of what he says. And that is the question that brings us on topic.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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Faith 
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Message 925 of 1639 (778596)
02-22-2016 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 924 by NoNukes
02-22-2016 9:55 AM


Re: What would Jesus do?
The Mosaic Law is still in force you know, for people who do not put their trust in Christ.
But I don't think it makes sense to assume that Jesus opposed the death penalty for murder just because He opposed it for adultery.
I believe I've explained attraction to Trump by conservatives of any religious background: he is bold about national security, which is one issue that interests us.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 926 of 1639 (778597)
02-22-2016 10:43 AM
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02-22-2016 10:38 AM


Re: What would Jesus do?
Faith writes:
I believe I've explained attraction to Trump by conservatives of any religious background: he is bold about national security, which is one issue that interests us.
Yet he has made absolutely no suggestions that would actually help security as you have been shown.
How do you explain your position when it is totally refuted by the facts and reality?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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ringo
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Message 927 of 1639 (778598)
02-22-2016 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 873 by Faith
02-20-2016 10:25 PM


Re: Nomination for PC post of the thread
Faith writes:
I wouldn't cry if a few dozen lost their coats.
quote:
Matthew 25: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
By the way, wouldn't taking somebody's coat be considered theft?

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ringo
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Message 928 of 1639 (778599)
02-22-2016 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 896 by Faith
02-21-2016 12:42 PM


Re: What would Jesus do?
Faith writes:
P.S. "What would Jesus do?" He'd support the death penalty for murderers as the Mosaic Law commands.
Actually, He'd tell whomever is without sin to cast the first stone - i.e. nobody.

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Message 929 of 1639 (778600)
02-22-2016 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 918 by Faith
02-22-2016 12:50 AM


Re: What would Jesus do?
So in other words, you cherry pick the laws you want to follow. Now that we have cleared that up, seems you don't have an argument.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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ringo
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Message 930 of 1639 (778601)
02-22-2016 11:00 AM
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02-22-2016 7:23 AM


Re: Topic Reminder
Admin writes:
Why is Trump so appealing?
That's been the gist of the "digressions" in this topic. Trump is so appealing because he appeals to people's basest instincts: greed, revenge, etc.

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