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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
My objection is that you claim to know.
Yup, we do. We have mountains of supporting evidence. I've mentioned a few. Your ignorance of why we make that claim is not proof or even an indication of its validity.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: Why wouldn't we know ? We are observing what is out there. And we can see a lot of things. We have well-confirmed physical theories describing the relationship between time and space. If you want to reject that science you need more than your inability to imagine any refutation of your vague and nonsensical ideas.
quote: I suggest that you follow your own advice. Admit that you have no idea of the state of current science or the evidence. Accept that for all you know, your idea might be nothing more than crazy nonsense (at this point it IS)
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Relativity does not even address the issue of time does it? It looks at earth time and space and extrapolates, and assumes it applies all over.
Nope. As I posted in another thread, it makes predictions of what we would see if time as we know it exists throughout the universe. Those predictions have universally (heh!) been borne out. If you want to propose that there's no time out there, you should not say anything until you have a theory that squares with millions of observations.
Bent light does not prove time exists in deep space by the way.
GR predicts the bending of light, and predicts time exists throughout the universe. If there is no time out there GR is horrendously wrong and there is no theory of what bends that light. What do you propose as a cause?
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
No. Of course GPS does not work where SN1987a is.
Having a little reading comprehension trouble? I never said anything about GPS working out there. GPS works here. If General Relativity is wrong, then GPS does not work on Earth. Does GPS work on Earth? Where's your theory of why GPS works? (The satellite clocks run slightly faster than they would on Earth, and without compensating for that GPS fixes would be way off).
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: Odd that you missed the discussion of time dilation. Relativity very much addresses the issue of time.
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starlite Member (Idle past 2944 days) Posts: 83 Joined: |
Nope. You don't. That was easy. The evidence you refer to is not able to stand. Not at all. It is religion.
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starlite Member (Idle past 2944 days) Posts: 83 Joined: |
You do not know because you do nothing but sit in your armchair on earth and look.The theories you allude to do not even address whether time exists as we know it there, they all assume and believe. Bad religion. Nothing more.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Trigonometry involves using (as I already pointed out) time and space on and near earth
Time is not involved in trigonometry. If you are going to invoke some tremendous warping of space you are going to come up with a much more complex theory than the one you need but don't have.
The base line for your triangle HAS to be here!
No, actually for SN1987A it's out there. You really should not speak with such limited knowledge. I.e please stop [i]assuming/i about what you do not know.
You only assume that time as blended with our space represents reality where the star is
That conclusion (not assumption) is the only one we have that fits all the observations. Where's your explanation?
Decay is seen here too.
Yuppers. And the same rate of decay is seen hundreds of thousands of light-years away. Got an explanation for that?
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starlite Member (Idle past 2944 days) Posts: 83 Joined: |
Not time away from earth where stars are.
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starlite Member (Idle past 2944 days) Posts: 83 Joined: |
Relativity is relative! To earth and our quadrant.
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starlite Member (Idle past 2944 days) Posts: 83 Joined: |
Of course time is involved in a measure from earth where time exists. You kidding?
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
The evidence you refer to is not able to stand.
Don't tell me, let me guess. You are incapable of explaining why it does not stand, you are just sure it must because otherwise your fantasies would be wrong. This is a science forum in which we introduce and critique evidence. I've mentioned some briefly and can go into much more detail were you going to actually discuss. If you want to discuss your religious beliefs (including your religious belief that mainstream science is a religion) please use one of the theology forums.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Not time away from earth where stars are.
Why? We have a theory, GR, and it works wonderfully well. We're not going to give it up unless a better theory that makes the same predictions about our observations comes along. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Relativity is relative! To earth and our quadrant.
Relativity describes our entire universe from the largest scale to almost the very smallest scale. It makes predictions and those predictions are borne out. If time and space were significantly different out there, those predictions would not be borne out. You are quickly becoming boring. You have no clue of how to discuss science and evidence. Hint: repeated unsupported and downright silly assertions are not it. If you can't address the problems with your claims and present evidence for them you are in the wrong place. You should be on a YEC board like evolutionfairytale.com where you can get lots of agreement and no worries about your claims fitting reality. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Of course time is involved in a measure from earth where time exists. You kidding?
Well, the observation does involve the passage of time on Earth. But you seem to agree that time exists here. But the trigonometry arises strictly from geometrical observations.
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