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Author Topic:   Falsifying a young Universe. (re: Supernova 1987A)
starlite
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Message 331 of 948 (781426)
04-04-2016 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 327 by JonF
04-04-2016 2:16 PM


Re: Special Relativity
I mentioned that you actually offered religion, not fact or real knowledge or science. Now if you want to get down and dirty, try to defend something you offered and I may offer an exegesis on it.

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starlite
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Message 332 of 948 (781428)
04-04-2016 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 329 by JonF
04-04-2016 2:22 PM


No. The way that it is 'borne out' in deep space does not even deal with time existing there. Strawman.

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starlite
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Message 333 of 948 (781430)
04-04-2016 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 330 by JonF
04-04-2016 2:24 PM


No it does not! The base line used always represents earth time and space! They then try to make that equal to lines going to a star. Pure religion!
Edited by starlite, : No reason given.

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14174dm
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Message 334 of 948 (781432)
04-04-2016 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 324 by starlite
04-04-2016 2:10 PM


Working backwards
I get it - you're working backwards from the answer you want.
As a grad student I graded homework papers for students using a textbook with the answer ( question 14 = 1.68 m) in the back of the book. For some questions, the student had to assume a water temperature, usually 4C or 20C. at the beginning of the solution for properties of the water. If the temperature was different from the assumed temperature used by the book's author, the student's answer would be slightly off. Students would then start working backwards from the answer in the book but didn't change their assumptions at the beginning. From the initial assumption to the answer from the book required them to erase their correct work and make math errors somewhere in their solution.
You have your answer - biblical literalism. You are working backwards from the answer you want but you don't know how to work out the solution.
What is your evidence that time moves at different rates depending on location?
Do you have any concept of how that would look? What evidence you're looking for?

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PaulK
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Message 335 of 948 (781438)
04-04-2016 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 322 by starlite
04-04-2016 2:09 PM


Re: Special Relativity
quote:
You do not know because you do nothing but sit in your armchair on earth and look.The theories you allude to do not even address whether time exists as we know it there, they all assume and believe. Bad religion. Nothing more
According to your ignorant imaginings. Which is apparently all you have.

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starlite
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Message 336 of 948 (781439)
04-04-2016 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 334 by 14174dm
04-04-2016 2:34 PM


Re: Working backwards
We all work from somewhere!

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starlite
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Message 337 of 948 (781440)
04-04-2016 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 335 by PaulK
04-04-2016 2:38 PM


Re: Special Relativity
Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me.

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Message 338 of 948 (781447)
04-04-2016 2:50 PM


Lets Show Each Other A Little Respect
For all of the older members here, I want to remind you that we need to respect newer members such as starlite. For all we know he may be a future leader.
From Forum Guidelines
The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.

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JonF
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Message 339 of 948 (781455)
04-04-2016 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 331 by starlite
04-04-2016 2:30 PM


Re: Special Relativity
Now if you want to get down and dirty, try to defend something you offered and I may offer an exegesis on it.
Name the subject from the many I've addressed, and we'll go to an appropriate thread.

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JonF
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Message 340 of 948 (781456)
04-04-2016 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 332 by starlite
04-04-2016 2:31 PM


No. The way that it is 'borne out' in deep space does not even deal with time existing there. Strawman.
This is a science forum. Evidence and analysis count, unsupported assertions don't. Why does it not even deal with time? Be specific.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 341 of 948 (781458)
04-04-2016 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 333 by starlite
04-04-2016 2:32 PM


No it does not! The base line used always represents earth time and space
And yet the baseline for the distance to SN1987A is 168,000 light-years away, and the point is on Earth.
The time at SN1987A is the same as time here. 56Ni decays at the same rate it does here, but is 168,000 light-years out there. There's a pretty good explanation at The Age of the Universe and SN1987A . I'll be glad to discuss it if you ever show any interest in discussion rather than random assertions as a Gish Gallop.

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JonF
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Message 342 of 948 (781460)
04-04-2016 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 338 by AdminPhat
04-04-2016 2:50 PM


Re: Lets Show Each Other A Little Respect
It certainly appears that he has no interest in or capability of following rule 4. His ignorance is an established fact. Yeah, it's hard to find a YEC who will try to discuss, but he isn't trying.

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Message 343 of 948 (781461)
04-04-2016 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 337 by starlite
04-04-2016 2:40 PM


Its All Relative
Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me.
Some names hurt me. Names such as "Liar" or "Con". I forgive my accusers only because they do not understand me.
Other names actually help me. Names such as "Leader" or "wise one" or "smart guy".
My point is that words can hurt others...but they can also help and encourage them.
Thankfully, we cant get hurt by sticks or stones on the internet.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Message 344 of 948 (781464)
04-04-2016 3:29 PM


Moderator Request
To comment upon a different area from AdminPhat, discussion in the science forums should support one's position with evidence. Typically this can't be done in posts of few sentences, of which there have been far too many. Please focus on the evidence.
Edited by Admin, : Grammar.

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PaulK
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Message 345 of 948 (781466)
04-04-2016 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 338 by AdminPhat
04-04-2016 2:50 PM


Re: Lets Show Each Other A Little Respect
He's been given the benefit of the doubt and demonstrated that he didn't deserve it. He can't be bothered to do even basic research. He hasn't worked out his own ideas to the point where he can sensibly discuss them. He's arrogant, ignorant and babbles nonsense.
Until he can get past those handicaps he has nothing to offer.

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