Evidence of the flood

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Yeah, well that's the way it is. I see what I see. Accusing me of foul motives is pretty cheap debate form.The "others" who determined that the channels were stream beds couldn't see it any other way because they assume that it was originally on the surface because of their belief in OE theory. Paradigm influence.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

That looks like the Temple Butte limestone was originally laid down as a layer between the Redwall and the Muav when all of them were wet. Then of course there was a big vertical shift. Earthquake?

Paradigm influence is not about motives, it's about conditioned seeing.I'm not ignoring anything you've said. I don't know what you think you've proved.

that's what happened at the location where there is the channel. Why should it have happened anywhere else? The Temple Butte is not overflowing the channel, it is confined to the channel. Something cut the channel after the Muav and Redwall were already there, evidenced by the relatively straight contact between the Redwall and the Temple Butte. Then it was filled by the Temple Butte. That's how it looks to me.

You said I was "making stuff up." That's not just seeing things differently.

This argument is very old at EvC. All of it has been rehashed many times. All of it. There is nothing new in any of it that I've seen. Yes I get very impatient and the more this same argument comes up the more impatient I get. I always have multiple people against me refusing to acknowledge anything reasonable I say and in fact denying that I ever say anything reasonable, which is, excuse me, stupid because I know it's reasonable and it doesn't exactly inspire me to treat anything they say with any respect. I'm sure my personality is a problem since I do have a temper and I do get impatient and I don't always remember to pray for patience. I did not want to get into this discussion on this thread at all, but read the sequence of posts and you'll see how I got dragged into it, and I'm still not completely in it. the Flood is the only reasonable explanation for the phenomena I'm talking about, I'm not "attempting to provide an explanation" because I am totally convinced it is the explanation and don't have to "attempt" anything about it. I believe the Grand Staircase/Grand Canyon cross section PROVES the Flood and I've pointed to all the features that do that. When I keep getting back supposed "rebuttals" that just restate the conventional interpretation and never ever ever acknowledge the points I've made, even though I understand why that is so in this Old Earth/Evolutionist stronghold I have less and less patience with it. Yes I am totally absolutely convinced of my own argument, yes I think the conventional position is totally untenable. Yes I don't take time to read through some posts because nobody ever acknowledges the points I've been making. I need another occupation.

Is a dry riverbed the sort of riverbed that is imputed to the Temple Butte channel or are you just reaching for any old anything to get rid of the pebbles argument?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I REFERRED TO KARST FORMATION AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE DISSOLUTION OF LIMESTONE, WHICH IN THE CASE OF THE CHANNEL OF TEMPLE BUTTE LIMESTONE WAS FLOWING THROUGH, NOT FORMING KARSTS. HOWEVER, YES THERE ARE KARSTS IN THE GRAND CANYON. I'M SURE YOU CAN FIND THEM YOURSELF. ALSO, IF YOU LOOK UP MUAV FORMATION AND TEMPLE BUTTE FORMATION YOU'LL SEE AREAS THAT LOOK LIKE CAVE FORMATION IN BOTH, NOT EXTENSIVE BUT THERE. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

OH GOOD GRIEF.

OH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. SO WHAT. I SHOULDN'T BE HERE AT ALL. I HAVE NO PATIENCE FOR THIS NONSENSE.I THINK YOU'VE MIXED UP MY GENERAL STATEMENT ABOUT HOW THE EROSION BETWEEN LAYERS LOOKS LIKE IT WAS CAUSED BY RUNOFF, WITH THE LIMESTONE DISSOLUTION EXPLANATION FOR TEMPLE BUTTE. I NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS MADHOUSE.

I disagree, sorry.

I disagree, sorry.

I disagree, sorry.

The strata were all laid down in the FloodThe Flood was a lot of water. The sediments were all wet when laid down. There was plenty of opportunity acidic water to cut a channel through which liquid limestone could run after the Flood water receded.A channel rather than a layer certainly suggests liquid running through it. Flat upper surface suggests it occurred between the layers after the Redwall and the Muav were already there. Channel was cut through the Muav. It was filled up with Temple Butte in liquid form.The caves one can see in the Muav and the Temple Butte are not near the river. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.