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Theodoric
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Message 1366 of 5796 (851194)
04-20-2019 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1344 by Faith
04-20-2019 2:17 PM


Re: Pro Life Movie a big success
People have asked you repeatedly what browser you use so they can help you invert the color scheme so things are easier to read. You never answer and seem to have no desire to resolve the problem. This is more evidence that you are nothing but a troll.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 1367 of 5796 (851199)
04-20-2019 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1366 by Theodoric
04-20-2019 7:50 PM


Re: Pro Life Movie a big success
Most instructions of that sort are too hard for me to follow these days.

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Message 1368 of 5796 (851200)
04-20-2019 9:18 PM
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04-20-2019 7:26 PM


Re: Point flying right over Faith's head
I assume you meant "abortions" rather than "adoptions," but unfortunately what you are saying isn't always true, in fact it may never be true. That's just propaganda. There really isn't ANY reason at the point of birth that the baby couldn't be delivered safely.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 1369 of 5796 (851201)
04-20-2019 9:23 PM
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04-20-2019 7:20 PM


Re: Pro Life Movie a big success
Just don't trust one word that comes out of the mouths of Leftists and abortion apologists these days. I trust the people who made the movie until I have some reason other than leftist propaganda to reconsider it. Sorry, I'm tired of the propaganda at EvC, sick to death of it. I'll wait and see the movie and if there's any reason to doubt any of it it's going to have to come from people I trust, not people who think killing babies is a good thing.
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Theodoric
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Message 1370 of 5796 (851202)
04-20-2019 9:26 PM
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04-20-2019 9:17 PM


Re: Pro Life Movie a big success
Of course they are. Because you do not want to. More evidence you are just a troll.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 1371 of 5796 (851206)
04-20-2019 9:44 PM
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04-20-2019 9:26 PM


Re: Pro Life Movie a big success
What you think of me isn't worth even this much attempt to answer you but I recently had to wait for someone to reinstate the large cursor I'd lost when Microsoft did an update I couldn't ignore. I couldn't deal with the instructions. Sorry. I used to be able to make all kinds of changes in my computers but it's beyond me these days. Mostly because of my eyes. Don't bother apologizing, it would be too great a shock to my system.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Theodoric
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Message 1372 of 5796 (851207)
04-20-2019 9:49 PM
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04-20-2019 9:44 PM


Re: Pro Life Movie a big success
I have nothing to apologize for. I do not apologize to trolls.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 1373 of 5796 (851208)
04-20-2019 9:51 PM
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04-20-2019 9:49 PM


Re: Pro Life Movie a big success
Oh good, then I don't have to worry about my blood pressure.

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Message 1374 of 5796 (851227)
04-21-2019 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 1373 by Faith
04-20-2019 9:51 PM


Re: Pro Life Movie a big success ... or full of lies?
FYI
quote:
The Anti-Abortion Movie ”Unplanned’ Is Loaded With Dangerous Lies
So HuffPost talked to an OB-GYN to debunk them.
“Unplanned,” a new movie in limited release, charts the unusual conversion story of Abby Johnson, a real-life Planned Parenthood clinic director in Bryan, Texas, who became an anti-abortion advocate after a crisis of conscience. The R-rated film, which Vice President Mike Pence plugged on Twitter earlier this month, has grossed $15.7 million since its debut on March 29, more than double its original budget.
The film follows Johnson, played in the movie by Ashley Bratcher, on her journey from Planned Parenthood employee of the year to disillusioned opponent of abortion. Along the way, it perpetuates distortions and potentially dangerous myths about the procedure.
To sort fact from fiction, HuffPost spoke to Jen Villavicencio, an OB-GYN and abortion provider in Michigan. Villavicencio is the inverse of Abby Johnson. As a teen in Florida, she was an anti-choice activist who prayed for the end of abortion. She had her own awakening at medical school, and now she provides abortions to women in clinics surrounded by protesters every day. “I went from one extreme to another, just like Abby,” she said.
Villavicencio walked us through some of the more glaring inaccuracies in “Unplanned”:
A fetus unrealistically appears to struggle for its life against an abortion
In one of the first scenes in “Unplanned,” Abby is asked to help with an abortion for a woman who is 13 weeks pregnant. As Abby watches the procedure on a screen, it seems to her that the fetus squirms away from the doctor’s medical instrument. It appears to be fighting for its life. “Beam me up, Scotty!” the doctor jokes as the patient sobs. Then, in an instant, the fetus is gone. The uterus is empty.
There have been questions raised about whether this abortion even took place. But in any case, Villavicencio, who performs similar abortions, said the scene is wildly unrealistic. At that gestational age, fetuses do not have purposeful movements, she said.
“The idea that a fetus would recoil or show fear or try to run away from a cannula [medical tube] is really a frank falsehood,” she said. “All the evidence says that is not possible.”
According to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, a fetus does not have the physiological capacity to perceive pain until at least 24 weeks of gestation. But Villavicencio acknowledged that some people may have a strong reaction to witnessing an abortion.
Planned Parenthood is falsely depicted as a for-profit abortion business
At the beginning of the movie, Abby is an open-minded college student who starts volunteering at Planned Parenthood because she wants to help women make informed decisions about their reproductive health. But soon she realizes that a central part of her job involves making money for Planned Parenthood.
Abby boasts about how good she got at “selling abortions,” comparing her job to that of a salesman hawking timeshares. Women are frequently shown handing over money. In one scene, Abby’s boss, Cheryl (Robia Scott), the clear villain of the movie, tells Abby she needs to double the abortions her clinic provides so they can make more money. “”Nonprofit’ is a tax status, not a business model!” she tells Abby, comparing Planned Parenthood to a fast-food chain. Hamburgers don’t bring in the big bucks, she explains in one scene. It’s the soda and fries ” or in this case, the abortion.
Planned Parenthood disputed this characterization in a statement to HuffPost, noting that it is a nonprofit that provides sexual and reproductive health care to millions of people across the country each year, many in underserved communities. The organization offers a wide breadth of services, including cancer screening, contraception and STD testing and treatment. Abortion makes up only 3.4 percent of its services, according to its most recent annual report.
“This idea that we would drum up business is silly,” Villavicencio said. “That’s not a thing. Abortion has existed since we knew what pregnancy was, and it will not go away.”
Abortions are sensationalized like a horror movie
While everyone’s abortion is different, “Unplanned” presents the experience as an excruciatingly painful one. Women are seen crying out while insensitive doctors and nurses bark at them and hold them down. Blood ” pooling in socks, dripping on floors ” is a central motif.
The movie gives an inaccurate and fearmongering depiction of the procedure, Villavicencio said.
“Most people tolerate abortions throughout the first and second trimester very well,” she said, adding that clinics use medications ranging from local anesthesia to deep sedation to manage pain.
She noted that abortions, for the most part, are exceptionally short procedures.
“They last anywhere from three to 10 minutes,” she said. “I tell my patients: ”This may be intense for you, but it will last a short while and I will talk you through it and you will make it.’”
Abortion is inaccurately depicted as extremely dangerous
In “Unplanned,” a doctor accidentally perforates a teen girl’s uterus while performing an abortion. As the girl goes into shock, the clinic workers decide not to call an ambulance because they’re afraid of bad publicity. Instead, they lie to her father and give her drugs so she won’t remember what happened.
In reality, serious complications during abortion are rare, and occur less frequently than during childbirth. In 2013, a total of 664,435 abortions were reported to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Only four women died as a result of complications that year.
“Abortion is one of the safest outpatient procedures that you can have in the U.S.,” Villavicencio said. “You are less likely to have a complication than a colonoscopy or a wisdom tooth extraction.”
She said it was comically offensive to suggest that an abortion clinic would jeopardize a patient’s safety by refusing to call an ambulance during a medical emergency.
Abortion clinicians are portrayed as villains and monsters
The abortion providers and staff in “Unplanned” are depicted as uncaring and inhumane. They crack jokes about dead babies, ignore patients who are visibly in pain and seem to lack even the most basic social manners.
When Abby learns, while standing in the bathroom at work, that she is pregnant, her boss does not congratulate or hug her. Instead, she offers her an abortion. “You know, we could take care of that for you if you like,” she spits.
Villavicencio said she has had the opposite experience working at abortion clinics.
“OB-GYNs and family medicine doctors who do abortions are some of the most compassionate, empathetic people I’ve ever met,” she said. “They put themselves through discomfort ” walking through protesters, getting threats, having sometimes the disdain of their own medical community ” in order to provide this care.”
Prayer has magical properties, can stop abortions
In the movie, Abby claims that up to 75 percent of women will not show up at an abortion clinic if they see people praying outside. It comes across as a call to arms to the audience: Go to your local abortion provider and pray.
Villavicencio raised doubts about the veracity of the statistic. Protesters pray outside her clinics every day, she said, and their no-show rate is not significantly affected.
“Might they convince people to change their minds? Sure,” she said. “Is that coercive and manipulative? In my opinion, yes.”
Faked scenes for the movie.
Faked dialogue for the movie.
Faked information for the movie.
Fake movie.
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Message 1375 of 5796 (851230)
04-21-2019 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 1368 by Faith
04-20-2019 9:18 PM


Re: Point flying right over Faith's head
Prove it, Dr. Faith.

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Message 1376 of 5796 (851277)
04-22-2019 7:16 AM


John Oliver's Take on the Mueller Report
--Percy

  
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Message 1377 of 5796 (851413)
04-24-2019 9:42 AM


Movie: Little Woods
Little Woods is another movie about abortion. The plot is briefly outlined in A Different Movie About Abortion:
quote:
Set in rural North Dakota near the Canadian border, Ollie (Tessa Thompson) is serving her final week on probation for illegal oxycodone sales. Her sister Deb (Lily James) is unexpectedly pregnant and figuring out how to care for her young son, maintain their trailer-van home and get to the nearest abortion clinic. With no other options for income, Ollie reluctantly returns to selling oxycodone.
“Little Woods” is more realistic about why American women have abortions than most other pop-culture treatments of the subject. In the film, Deb attempts to start prenatal care, but when faced with a four-to-six-week wait and an $8,000 price tag (without insurance) to give birth, she decides to have an abortion.
...
The truth is, 59 percent of abortion patients have given birth at least once before, a majority are women of color, and three-quarters in 2014 were low-income.
The cost of pregnancy and child-rearing is a common aspect of what reproductive justice advocates call economic coercion: Some people have abortions simply because they cannot afford to have a child and the government does not provide adequate safety-net services such as food, transportation and housing resources to support people taking care of another baby. What “Little Woods” does give Deb, though, is emotional support: Though Ollie is adopted, she stands by her sister rather than using her own adoption to urge Deb to make a different decision.
“Little Woods” is also revelatory about the logistical challenges involved in having an abortion. After a series of devastating mishaps, the sisters ultimately make a road trip to Canada for an abortion because the only clinic in their state is hundreds of miles away.
--Percy

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Theodoric
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Message 1378 of 5796 (851419)
04-24-2019 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1377 by Percy
04-24-2019 9:42 AM


Re: Movie: Little Woods
Thanks for the post. I may have mentioned in the past, my niece is a top reproductive health researcher, PhD in Public Health, a bonafide Dr. Her research has been used at the Supreme Court, so I am just a little proud of her.
I sent this to her to get her feedback. I will be very interested to know if she has seen the movie and if so how it matches up to the research and statistics. From what the article had to say it seems to be a decent mirror of reality.
Do you think there is any chance Faith will watch it? Ha ha.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 1379 of 5796 (851421)
04-24-2019 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1361 by Faith
04-20-2019 3:41 PM


Re: Point flying right over Faith's head
Faith writes:
Calling me dishonest is just another Leftty smear term. Why can't you Lefties ever just treat people fairly?
The level of projection is mind numbing. You just got done accusing Planned Parenthood of lying as a smear, and you refuse to treat them fairly. You need to follow your own advice.

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Message 1380 of 5796 (851425)
04-24-2019 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1377 by Percy
04-24-2019 9:42 AM


Re: Movie: Little Woods
Not a word is said in that whole description about the fact that it is a human being that is going to be killed, not a word. If that fact is faced then adoption does become a reasonable option despite all the nicey nice refusal to put pressure on the mother-to-be to go that route. If she'd kill it why not consider giving it away? And why aren't these questions addressed in that piece?
Hm, and I just remembered a case where a woman in her thirties quit her job to get pregnant because her "clock was running out" and she got welfare and food stamps to help her through it. I'll have to make some phone calls later to see if I've got this right.
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