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Even though we raise our voices in support of the Chinese protestors there is little our government can do to affect that support. This is an internal Chinese affair and we, as a civilized member of the international community, must respect the international law and custom that keeps us from intervening in their affairs just as it keeps them from intervening in our domestic affairs.An official expression of concern, a statement in support of human rights (something we used to be known for), would be appropriate.More appropriate would be an effort to curb the human rights abuses we are perpetrating along our own southern border. It won’t help the Chinese achieve their freedom but it would lend credence and legitimacy to our words of loving freedom and respect for human rights.This would enhance our standing in the international community. Unfortunately, that is something our government doesn’t seem to be interested in any longer.

It certainly doesn't help, either, that Trump's purges of competent people in favor of hacks, apparatchiks, sycophants, and delusional imbeciles doesn't leave him with many people who know even the first thing about diplomacy.

Apparently he's under a lot of pressure from inside, even Bolton, to say something strong. He's resisting because he wants a trade agreement more than human rights.

I figured trade agreements would come into this.Both, because that's his main focus, and also because having already gone the route of tariffs and barriers he's already shot the main arrow in the quiver leaving very little else for leverage.

Plus it really doesn't look like the State is doing anything illegal and so I'm not sure what there is that could be protested. If a group of protestors took over a US airport I imagine that the police would use whatever force was required to move them out of the airport and secure the safety of the airport for travelers.AbE:We might claim excessive force was used but after May 4, 1970 I'm not sure we would have much moral ground to stand on.Edited by jar, : hit post not preview

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He may think the trade deal is more important, and doesn't understand the importance of the Hong Kong situation. I wouldn't want to trivialize the trade deal, it's the way he works, and some of that has to do with buttering up tyrants, and he probably thinks it could soften the guy up toward Hong Kong. But I'm for doing whatever WE can to put pressure on him and on Congress at least to make a strong statement. Again, I don't want the protestors to think they are alone in their concerns.There are no human rights abuses at our border according to many who have visited there to find out.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Are you even willing to work with the majority of the House who are ravening leftist wolves intent on destroying America?

It might be good for them and us if they put their minds to such a good cause and got distracted for a while from destroying the country.

I hear Talib and Omar are being refused entry to Israel.

You haven't noticed that to Trump money and personal power is all that matters?There are horrible human rights abuses at the border according to everyone who's visited to find out, except for some border patrol agents and a very few Republican congresspeeps.Amnesty International USA: Catastrophic immigration policies resulted in more family separations than previously disclosed - Amnesty InternationalUN Human Rights Chief UN rights chief ‘appalled’ by US border detention conditions, says holding migrant children may violate international law | | UN News Written Testimony: "Kids in Cages: Inhumane Treatment at the Border"
Testimony of Clara Long Before the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Reform, Subcommittee on Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, July 11, 2019

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July 11, 2019 8:00AM EDT
Written Testimony: "Kids in Cages: Inhumane Treatment at the Border"
Testimony of Clara Long Before the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Reform, Subcommittee on Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, July 11, 2019

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Clara Long
Senior Researcher, US Program

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From June 17 to June 19, 2019, I was part of a team of lawyers, doctors and interpreters monitoring conditions for children in Border Patrol stations in the El Paso, Texas area on behalf of the class of children protected by the Flores Settlement Agreement.[4] On June 17 and 19 I interviewed children detained at the Clint Border Patrol Station, and on June 18, I interviewed children and their families at the El Paso Station (also known as Station 1) and the Santa Teresa Border Patrol Station. I personally interviewed 16 detained children in these three facilities, while our monitoring team interviewed over 50 children throughout our visit.

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Our in-depth interviews with children revealed that the US Border Patrol is holding many children, including some who are much too young to take care of themselves, in jail-like border facilities for weeks at a time without contact with family members, or regular access to showers, clean clothes, toothbrushes, or proper beds. Many were sick. Many, including children as young as 2 or 3, were separated from adult caretakers without any provisions for their care besides that provided by unrelated older children also being held in detention. These conditions are consistent with those Human Rights Watch documented in our February 2018 report, In the Freezer.[5] In contrast with the conditions as of February 2018, the harms of CBP detention for children are now compounding over weeks instead of days.

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An El Paso Border Patrol official on Monday confirmed the terrible conditions at the migrant detention centers, including a culture of border agents’ derogatory treatment of the detainees.

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Under the condition of keeping his identity concealed, a U.S. Customs and Border Patrol official told CNN reporter Nick Valencia that his boss would make fun of dead migrants.

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‘What difference does it make? It’s just another life,' the border official quoted his supervisor as saying.

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He made a comment also regarding running over illegals, the official added. And I’m like, ‘You cannot run over people.'

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The CBP official also confirmed that the holding facilities are filthy.

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We have a maintenance and cleaning crew that clean the general area by the hallways, the agent said. But I have never seen them cleaning counters or cleaning toilets in the cells or cleaning sinks in the cells. Sometimes you go in a cell and there’s trash everywhere.

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What do you say to [CBP] leaders who are saying migrants are getting basic human rights? asked Valencia.

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What is basic human rights? the official responded. Toilet paper? Water from the sink? Or wearing the same clothing for days?

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CBP spokesman Roger Maier denied that the cleaning crews were neglecting the cells.

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Our contract custodial crews clean the facilities every shift (three times a day) including the cells, Maier told TPM.

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The anonymous agent’s account backs up House Democrats’ reports after they toured Texas’ border facilities in El Paso and Clint. According to the lawmakers, migrants were being denied medicine, showers, and even functioning sinks. They said that migrants were being told to drink water out of the cell toilets, a claim that the Department of Homeland Security denied.

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On Tuesday, investigators at the Department of Homeland Security released photos showing how migrants had been forced into extremely cramped cells and cages.

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There's plenty more.

I suspect that the "good cause" you want to support consists of many people who are farther left than any Democrat.

Don't have the ability to wade through that much sheer propaganda, but what I picked up on a skim-through makes it clear that is what it is, the usual propaganda that you all believe and I don't. Funny how anecdote and personal testimony are rejected when they favor a position you oppose but bits and pieces from children, picked out by the media enemies of Trump, will always be welcome on your side of the fence."Kids in cages" existed under Obama.And of course the fact that a lack of funding has made conditions worse than usual is left out of the story and even then they are better than anyone on the Left will admit.Many kids are brought here by people who are not their family, as their entry ticket, but would such a report bother to check that out?As for the usual slam against Trump, he's not out for himself, he's doing what he thinks best for the country, and money is his area of expertise after all; though of course I understand the Left has to turn it into something evil as they always do. It should be possible to disagree with his decisions without pretending he has the evil motives you all impute to him. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The people of Hong Kong? They've been experiencing western style freedom for a long time, why would they be on the Left?

"Western style freedom" is very far to the left of you.