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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
She is a troll. Don't feed the troll. Not worth the effort.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Faith does get stuck in defensive mode at times, and I think she gets a bit of a kick out of the fact that she is frustrating some of her critics rather than the more usual scenario whereby they frustrate her.
Regarding the title of this topic, I would think that in order to get the best handle on the truth within media, one should peruse several news sources and mix them up as to their Rightwing or Leftwing bent. Get the whole picture rather than just the parts that we like. What do you think, Theo? Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
quote: Perhaps in the interests of fair and balanced, we should be left sometimes also.We could thus say to be right but be nice...and be left yet be deft. Surely every left-winger in America isn't frothing at the mouth with evil! And by the same token, not every right-winger is willfully ignorant, (unless they are already wealthy! )Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Faith is a troll and willfully ignorant. This determination is based on years of evidence.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes: Funny how you all have been keeping up with it and don't get it at ALL. For one thing Trump isn't anything WE could have predicted. Perhaps YOU couldn't have predicted it, but we have been watching it develop for years. Electing incompetent politicians who have nothing other than partisan bluster has been steadily increasing in Republican ranks. Ever heard of the Tea Party, now called the Freedom Caucus? Trump is a predictable extension of that movement. Is it any wonder that Trump first gained political notoriety for pushing Birtherism, the conspiracy theory born in the Tea Party? Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes: May all the truth come out. All of it. We know Trump is not guilty of the wrongdoings imputed to him, we know because we know many of his words are misinterpreted, and because we know how to judge character. As the facts are emerging, this would require Trump's entire staff misunderstanding his intentions for months at a time. There was an ongoing campaign to pressure Ukraine to start investigations on Joe Biden. This isn't a matter of misinterpreting a single phrase in a single conversation.
and above all because if he'd done even one impeachable thing they wouldn't be dillydallying as they have been, he'd have been impeached long ago. How long did the inquiries into Clinton and Nixon last?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Well they would have been harping on THE particular "crimes and misdemeanors" they were going to use to impeach him, and it doesn't look like they have arrived at any such particular accusation for the purpose.
And it's just weird to come here after hearing a lot of the comment by conservatives. It's a whole other world. Things you think are unanswerable charges against Trump are either answered by experts on my side or dismissed as silliness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Those commentators you listen to are not conservatives. Actual conservatives believe in the Constitution and the rule of law, not autocracy and hate. Most 0f the so called conservatives are actually faux libertarians. They proclaim conservative and libertarian values but expect for others to live by those values but not themselves.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes: Well they would have been harping on THE particular "crimes and misdemeanors" they were going to use to impeach him, and it doesn't look like they have arrived at any such particular accusation for the purpose. Only someone deep in the Cult of Trump would say this. For those of us in the real world, the Democrats have repeatedly listed abuse of power (Ukraine) and obstruction of justice (refusing to respond to subpoenas dealing with Ukraine) as the first two articles of impeachment.
And it's just weird to come here after hearing a lot of the comment by conservatives. It's a whole other world. Things you think are unanswerable charges against Trump are either answered by experts on my side or dismissed as silliness. What is their explanation for the quid pro quo of aid money for Biden investigations?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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... and above all because if he'd done even one impeachable thing they wouldn't be dillydallying as they have been, he'd have been impeached long ago. Actually there have been calls for impeachment almost from day 1 due to his failure to distance himself from profits he garnered from the use of his properties -- golfing at his resorts while the taxpayers paid him as owner of the resort, plus admissions for secret service etc -- just for starters. The reason for the emoluments clause in the constitution is clearly to prevent bribery or influence through "donations" to a president. When you have foreign governments staying at his hotel in Washington in order to get an audience, especially when they book whole floors and then do not stay in the rooms, it is clear that they are bribing the president to see him
At least one foreign government allegedly tried to suck up to Trump by booking rooms in his hotel but never staying in them A Trump hotel mystery: Giant reservations followed by empty rooms I can go on, but you will likely excuse it with some lame explanation that you think exonerates him. It won't. The impeachment process was held up by Nancy Pelosi as speaker of the house for political reasons. It is only lately that Humpty Dumbty Trumty has stepped so far over the line that she allowed an investigation into impeachment, done according to house rules put in place by GOP for their Bengazi "investigations," to gather more information directly from witnesses rather than hearsay, in a manner that doesn't compromise existing and future witnesses: the reason for closed door hearings.
May all the truth come out. All of it. ... You can't handle the truth. ... We know Trump is not guilty of the wrongdoings imputed to him, we know because we know many of his words are misinterpreted, and because we know how to judge character. Obviously wrong -- you may believe this, but you don't know it -- as you will find out when the truth actually does come out, in public, starting Thursday. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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RAZD writes: The reason for the emoluments clause in the constitution is clearly to prevent bribery or influence through "donations" to a president. When you have foreign governments staying at his hotel in Washington in order to get an audience, especially when they book whole floors and then do not stay in the rooms, it is clear that they are bribing the president to see him Officials also make sure to use social media to let the administration know that they are putting money in Trump's pocket: What I’ve Learned Staking Out Trump’s Washington Hotel - POLITICO Magazine
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
What is their explanation for the quid pro quo of aid money for Biden investigations? [ There was no quid pro quo for Biden, there was maybe a perfectly typical quid pro quo concerning the request for cooperation in our investigation of the Democrats' interference in the 2016 election on behalf of Clinton but the Ukrainian President said there was no quid pro quo at all, and some refuse to call that a quid pro quo because the aid was actually given that was supposedly threatened to be withheld. But Limbaugh this morning described a whole complicated involvement I probably can't remember very well between this guy Taylor who testified in the closed door meeting, {also described as having been shredded by Ratcliffe though Schiff refuses to make that transcript public}_ and Hunter Biden and George Soros against Trump. All I can say is May the truth ALL come out, please God. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes: There was no quid pro quo for Biden, There has already been sworn testimony that there was, by Bill Taylor and apparently by Sondland. Ignoring the facts is not an explanation.
But Limbaugh this morning described a whole complicated involvement I probably can't remember very well between this guy Taylor who testified in the closed door meeting, {also described as having been shredded by Ratcliffe though Schiff refuses to make that transcript public}_ and Hunter Biden and George Soros against Trump. The transcripts are going to be made public, and Taylor will be testifying in public. Republicans aren't going to be able to hide any longer.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Taylor --and I think also Sondland though I'm not completely sure in his case -- are antiTrump liars.
It's the Left that's hiding in their closed-door meeting, and Schiff is a liar who should be prosecuted for his misrepresentastion of the phone call before the transcript came out. And Ratcliffe can destroy Taylor. Let it all come out. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I will agree that it all should come out but have serious reservations as to whether it will change anyone's preconceived political beliefs and specifically change their minds about Mr.Trump. That is assuming they have anything on him. I know one thing--if the Democrats fail to present a good case they will have done as good as lose the next election. I trust the integrity of the Senate to a point, and I believe that if it gets as far as there, whatever they collectively decide will be as honest as a group of Politicians can be.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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