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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Bush1 was the originator of the term "voodoo economics" in 1980. I know, but the term more accurately describes GOP economics.
... Bush2 was a supply-sider. What products did he supply? Enjoy.by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
There's no good solution. Close and fill all ground level spaces, convert the roads to canals a la Venice. Particularly appropriate for a town on the west coast of Florida ... cost wise probably about the same as rebuilding inland (and then having to do it again). Also add upper level enclosed automatic walkways & bikeways between buildings. Embrace the change. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
...allow water to simply pass through.... You have structural problems with waves that structures not designed for, filling them solves most of this. Will likely need to reinforce outer wall to be safe. Enjoy.by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
What Trump did was absolutely legal, absolutely within the Constitutional powers of the executive branch, ... Nope.
quote: ... so much pure political motivation, ... Independent, not partisan. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... But a President has the obligation to refuse aid to countries engaged in known corruption. Except he wasn't investigating corruption. He was not concerned with any investigation of corruption, just an announcement that Biden was being investigated ... and nobody else ... and then he released the funds without any document being provided clearing Ukraine or any of the other (several) excuses he had for holding the money. The only thing that occurred before the release of funds was the announcement of an investigation into his holding the funds. If he had any other reason than hustling Ukraine then he could have kept holding the funds. You do need to look at all the FACTS faith, not just what conforms to your beliefs. Amusing that there is now an investigation of this in the Ukraine to see if any Ukrainians participated in the corrupt efforts of Giuliani to create a false narrative and to get the Ambassador removed to make it easier for the corruption to proceed. Ukraine investigates prosecutor who gave Giuliani information on Biden | Ukraine | The Guardian And he is being investigated about here as well Giuliani Is Said to Be Under Investigation for Ukraine Work - The New York Times It would be interesting to see him at the Senate impeachment hearing ... under oath ... it seems he is a central player in this matter. Enjoy.by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I would never laud assassination, It was justice, not assassination. Where was the judge and jury, the witesses, etc ...? Or do you mean like typical KKK Vigilanti type "justice"?
abuse of power, obstruction of justice, Trump has never abused his power, ...Trump has never committed this either. In fact he isn't even accused of it. ... her husband WAS impeached for actual obstruction of justice, one of eleven felonies he was accused of. Trumps obstruction of justice is/was worse than Clinton's, who actually allowed witnesses and documents to be viewed by the impeachment process.
They got smart and realized he hadn't, so they changed their articles of impeachmet to "obstruction of Congress" which is a weird idea that they made up and makes no basis for impeaching him. No Faith, it was obstruction of the articles in the constitution that give the House oversight of the President -- it's actually a worse charge than obstruction of justice, and it covers his refusal to allow witnesses or provided requested documents. The trial start tomorrow. We'll see how fair the Senate is, and how much they want to look at the truth. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I mean like TYPICAL AMERICAN justice, the kind we've always practiced in such situations ... So no judge or jury.
... such situations that nobody ever objected to until Trump did it. Did anyone call taking out Bin Laden "assassination" of a rightful foreign official? No, because that was handled through (a) the war on terror, (b) BinLaden was enemy terrorist #1 and (c) the National Defense Council authorized it.
It was the Democrats in jthe House that refused to allow the Presdident due process. ThePresident got all the due process the Constitution requires. The Senate is where the REST of the process should occur. Looks like the republicans are making a mockery of it. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Millions on food stamps and unemployment that are now off those under Trump. Because he cut funding on food stamps, artificially lowering the number because fewer qualified. Unemployment down but how many people with multiple jobs getting counted twice for being employed, and how many jobs pay a living wage or better. If more people working multiple jobs to survive is unemployment the issue or underemployment? unemployment is the most manipulated figure and fails to measure the value of jobs. If unemployment is down AND the average value of jobs is down, the economy is not improving, it just means more people working starvation wages. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
By taxing the rich and corporations to pay their fair share. Which means the rich will either be moving out of the country to avoid taxes ... Good riddance.
... or at least not be expanding their businesses ... Which they have not done with the tax refunds, so no loss there.
... and creating more jobs, ... Which they also have not done. Most job creation is done by small businesses, not corporations.
... which means there won't be any money for paying down the debt. Which Trumpski expanded by giving away tax money and increasing the military budget.
I truly wish I could but I am one of the people who need the help unfortunately and due to physical disability couldn't work even if there were jobs I could do. I have an income of $420 from SS, plus rent relief, and that's all. ... Another hypocrite that votes republican but depends on Democrat programs they could not live without. What will you do if Republicans cut these programs, vote for them again because they helped you become poorer?
... I daydream about ways to make money, writing a book is one but of course it might not sell. ... Another "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" ...
... I am truly grateful for the help I get, I'm not against entitlements, only it's clear there are a lot of people who could be working instead ... Except it is clearly not the case when people are working 2 or 3 jobs to survive. The true welfare queens are the big corporations that pay no taxes. You've swallowed their propaganda.
... and that's way better for the economy. Nope. What's clearly better for the economy is a minimum living wage so that people working 40 hours a week get honest compensation for their time and work. Every place that raises the minimum wage see a local economic boost, with more jobs being created and more people staying at their jobs so companies have less expenditure on training new workers. Plus every person that gets a living wage job no longer needs to work multiple jobs to survive, opening up jobs for other workers to take, and unemployment is lowered as a result. PLUS the number of people on food stamps etc is reduced because they no longer need such assistance to compensate for the starvation wages currently being paid. That's how you get people off public assistance, Faith, not by cutting programs. The data is there. Compare blue and red states. Blue states pay net (taxes-assistance) to the Federal Government while red states are net receivers of aid. Because GOP economics is based on false models and no regard for workers health and happiness. Here's a question for you: how fast is a dollar spent if you give it to:
Hint: it's an inverse relationship running from "within an hour" to "almost never" -- think of their relative need to spend it. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Even if what you are saying is true, what then? If you tax the rich there will be even less jobs and a lot more people on welfare type programs? Is that your solution? And yet the comparison of red and blue states proves just the opposite. For example Kansas under Sam Brownback - Wikipedia was a disaster. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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The truly rich (as opposed to high income people) have a huge variety of ways to mitigate their tax burden, so it seems unlikely that any change in the tax code would cause them to leave the country. Their tax attorneys would just find alternate avenues for lessening the tax burden. Plus the truly rich can live (establish their residence) anywhere in the world they want, since private jets can flit them about. They likely already have homes in many countries and "official" residence for tax purposes in a tax free country. That's why we need to revive corporate taxes and taxes on stocks and equities: if you make money in the US you pay US taxes on it.
JonF originally said "the rich and corporations," and Faith truncated it to just "the rich." Most people do not work for "the rich." They work for companies, some big, some small, some somewhere in the middle. Cutting taxes on the rich is not going to employ many more people. The rich can only buy so many cars and boats and jets and houses and fancy vacations, and they can only employ so many maids and butlers and pool boys. The money they save from lower taxes will mostly go into investments or trust funds for the kids and so on. Exactly. They also buy stocks in their companies to raise the stock values (an artificial value that isn't real until stocks are sold).
So many corporations used their tax bounty to increase bonuses, pay down debt, buy back stock, upgrade or replace aging equipment, etc. Most did not employ more workers. Exactly, whereas higher taxes mean they allocate more to lower their taxable value, and THAT creates jobs or increases payroll.
Another important point. At the end of the Obama administration the unemployment rate was already 4.7%, by historical standards already very low. Traditionally, anything below around 5% is considered full employment, plus or minus a percentage point or so. There is not much lower to go. But the full employment point is also considered the inflation threshold. This is not a hard and fast rule, of course. It just means that once you reach full employment that inflation becomes a risk that has to be carefully monitored. Curiously it seems to me that if the economy depends on some people being unemployed there is something amiss in the system. And IF having people unemployed is of value to the economy then they should be compensated. There are also other considerations: earning money isn't the end-all be-all of life, where does capitalism provide for arts and crafts? The idea that a pursuit is of no value unless it makes money, especially enough to live on, seems stunted, narrow minded, and drab.
But even more concerning is the current very low unemployment rate combined with huge deficits. How can we have that combination and also such low inflation? Is the low unemployment rate masking a structural problem, such as low wages or the necessity of holding two or more jobs to make ends meet or the high cost of housing? Food for thought. Not just unemployment but under-employment as well, where jobs worked are insufficient for living and so these workers qualify for assistance. A living wage requirement would eliminate the need for such assistance for most of the people in the system. But I also like Yang's basic income, as it allows artists and musicians, dancers, academicians, scientists, etc to pursue their crafts and in the process brighten the lives of everyone. The return is a more complete population. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : stby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Duct tape a banana to the wall and collect $120,000! Art can be a capitalists golden goose. Depends on how the banana is oriented ..... by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Trump's famously criticized lack of respect for the National Anthem. Here he shows how it's done. Reminds me of the funeral scene in Cat Balloo ... ... it’s childishly irreverent and totally disconnected with reality. Sad. Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
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Don't know what it means to "lower their taxable value." Do you mean lower the amount they pay in taxes? Lower taxable income by putting profit money where it isn’t taxed, either back into company (bonuses for employees etc) or some tax haven.
0% unemployment isn't achievable because people lose or leave jobs and it takes time to find another, and there is technological change, economic change (decline of steel industry and coal mining), personal situations, etc. Everybody’s doing something, just some of it is not included in the $$ economy even though it supports it. Stay home parents for example. They aren’t unemployed. Same with artists. The emphasis on earning money imho damages to culture, creativity and wellbeing of people.
And IF having people unemployed is of value to the economy then they should be compensated. I've never seen it argued that unemployment is of value to the economy. You just said that 5% unemployment was considered good so that it prevented inflation, or did I misinterpret?
I'm reminded of the joke, "Under a communist system the Detroit Lions would win the Super Bowl every 16 years" (pick your sport and team), but I understand your point. Well your joke misses the mark imho. There is more to life than making money, the $$ economy ignores that.
Should every job pay a living wage? When you and I were kids there was such a thing as paperboys. There were tons of low paying jobs filled by teenagers. And I spent half my earnings at the bakery next to the newspaper building every Saturday (yumm). But if someone spent 40 hours a week at it then yes it should be a living wage ... because they are spending their life to do it. If the employer is buying that time from the employee then they should be fairly compensated, because they can’t do anything else in that time.
Public support of art and culture is important. It was once a higher priority than it is today. But it has never been considered a business equivalent occupation. Support has generally relied on the kindness of strangers wealthy patrons, kings, etc. Do you think pure science should be publicly supported or left to the likes of Monsanto for funding? It’s a question of cultural values. Is becoming a money sucking CEO the best we can aspire to? Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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