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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Learn the basics Faith. Your link does not tell the true story as usual.
Go and learn the basics Faith and stop posting nonsense. How can either of those add to the debt or the deficit? Simple questions unless you refuse to learn the basics.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Good grief, man, I'm talking abnout what I read at the link, go read it.
The money that goes to those programs is part of the yearly deficit. The yearly deficit is what keeps increasing the National Debt. Good grief, stop attacking for something I never claimed to be an expert in anyway, and something you are just blowing hot air about.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Lot of speculation there you aren't bothering to prove. The knjown statistics show unemployment way down and that many people off food stamps.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: The money that goes to those programs is part of the yearly deficit. That is simply not true and by law impossible. Go learn the basics, stuff that middle schoolers should know.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: Can you please stop confusing spending and deficit? It’s not exactly difficult to understand.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Even if what you are saying is true, what then? If you tax the rich there will be even less jobs and a lot more people on welfare type programs? Is that your solution?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sorry, I though it was spending that was causing the deficit. Spending on entitlement programs, spending on the military, spending. When people go into debt it's from spending more than they can pay. Elementary economics there. If it isn't spending what is it?
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Which means the rich will either be moving out of the country to avoid taxes, or at least not be expanding their businesses and creating more jobs,
They didn't move out when their taxes were much, much higher. The rich don't create a significant number of jobs. Trump's tax cuts went almost exclusively to stock buybacks and executive/individual compensation. There was no effect on the rate of job creation.
only it's clear there are a lot of people who could be working instead and that's way better for the economy.
No, it's not clear at all. Neither you nor I can. How about our children and grandchildren? Will they have the assets to retire or will they never retire and die in harness?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There's really no point in having this discussion. Nobody knows anything, it's really all based on partisan politics as everything is these days.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: The deficit is from spending MORE money than comes in. Spending may be largely fixed but a lot of the problem is Trump cutting the government’s income, and the rest is adding spending. Don’t you think that doing both together is a bad idea ?
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Faith writes: Why are you continuing to argue this obvious point. We never heard from the eyewitness, that would not have been hearsay, but we've heard a lot from people who tell us what the eyewitness said. That's hearsay. Yelling at me isn't going to change this simple fact. I don't know how you continue to get this so wrong. You've got to start thinking about hearsay instead of just arguing about it. I think you probably just continue to argue not because you care what hearsay actually is, but just because of how easy it is to dismiss testimony by calling it hearsay. "It's hearsay," job done, no thought required. Obviously what you seek is eyewitnesses to Trump demanding that the Ukrainians announce investigations of the Bidens, but for the most part we don't have that. Certainly those who testified did not give hearsay evidence about it. The true eyewitness were barred by Trump from all cooperation with the House impeachment investigation. That's why one of the articles of impeachment is Obstruction of Congress. But there is still some eyewitness (more like earwitness) testimony of Trump trying to get the Ukraine to announce investigations into the Bidens. David Holmes overheard a conversation between Gordon Sondland, who he was sitting with at an outdoor table at a restaurant, and Donald Trump, who was either speaking loudly or Sondland had the volume on his phone turned up it. In any case, David Holmes testified that he could hear Trump clearly over the cellphone. Here's his testimony of that phone call. None of it is hearsay:
quote: None of that is hearsay. It's all the earwitness testimony about a cellphone conversation David Holmes overheard between Gordon Sondland and President Trump. If you think any of it is hearsay then describe what portions and we can further discuss it. Let me anticipate that you'll think it's hearsay when David Holmes comments about Giuliani pushing the Biden investigation. It's not. Holmes is only relating what he heard Sondland say. He did not say anything like, "I know Giuliani was pushing the Biden investigation because Ambassador Sondland said so." Had he said anything like that then that would have been hearsay. But while David Holmes testimony is not hearsay, neither is it direct evidence of presidential malfeasance. For that we have Gordon Sondland's testimony. But even that isn't as detailed as we would like. For that we need the testimony of Bolton, Mulvaney and Pompeo, and probably Perry could also be helpful. --Percy
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: Well no. That’s just you. And if you stopped pretending that the truth is partisan politics you might do a lot better here.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Anyone can learn how Social Security and Medicare are funded Faith and by law neither can possibly contribute to either the deficit or the debt.
Learn the basics faith! Both can ONLY be paid out from funds that are in Trust Funds. Neither can be paid out in amounts greater than what is in those Trust Funds. Neither can contribute to either debt or deficit. Stop believing the charlatans and conmen Faith. They are as dishonest as the Apologists.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
By taxing the rich and corporations to pay their fair share. Which means the rich will either be moving out of the country to avoid taxes ... Good riddance.
... or at least not be expanding their businesses ... Which they have not done with the tax refunds, so no loss there.
... and creating more jobs, ... Which they also have not done. Most job creation is done by small businesses, not corporations.
... which means there won't be any money for paying down the debt. Which Trumpski expanded by giving away tax money and increasing the military budget.
I truly wish I could but I am one of the people who need the help unfortunately and due to physical disability couldn't work even if there were jobs I could do. I have an income of $420 from SS, plus rent relief, and that's all. ... Another hypocrite that votes republican but depends on Democrat programs they could not live without. What will you do if Republicans cut these programs, vote for them again because they helped you become poorer?
... I daydream about ways to make money, writing a book is one but of course it might not sell. ... Another "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" ...
... I am truly grateful for the help I get, I'm not against entitlements, only it's clear there are a lot of people who could be working instead ... Except it is clearly not the case when people are working 2 or 3 jobs to survive. The true welfare queens are the big corporations that pay no taxes. You've swallowed their propaganda.
... and that's way better for the economy. Nope. What's clearly better for the economy is a minimum living wage so that people working 40 hours a week get honest compensation for their time and work. Every place that raises the minimum wage see a local economic boost, with more jobs being created and more people staying at their jobs so companies have less expenditure on training new workers. Plus every person that gets a living wage job no longer needs to work multiple jobs to survive, opening up jobs for other workers to take, and unemployment is lowered as a result. PLUS the number of people on food stamps etc is reduced because they no longer need such assistance to compensate for the starvation wages currently being paid. That's how you get people off public assistance, Faith, not by cutting programs. The data is there. Compare blue and red states. Blue states pay net (taxes-assistance) to the Federal Government while red states are net receivers of aid. Because GOP economics is based on false models and no regard for workers health and happiness. Here's a question for you: how fast is a dollar spent if you give it to:
Hint: it's an inverse relationship running from "within an hour" to "almost never" -- think of their relative need to spend it. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Conservative George Will has an opinion piece in today's Washington Post where he explains why truth has no reason to fear information (https://www.washingtonpost.com/...6a-083d01b3ed18_story.html):
quote: He closes by explaining why Trump's particular style is so effective at deflecting both criticism and examination:
quote: --Percy
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