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Topic: The Right Side of the News
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17827 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.3
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Message 4735 of 5796 (871164)
01-29-2020 12:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 4732 by Faith
01-29-2020 11:58 AM
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Re: Reality intrudes yet again Faith. Learn the basics.
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Sorry, I though it was spending that was causing the deficit.
The deficit is from spending MORE money than comes in. Spending may be largely fixed but a lot of the problem is Trump cutting the government’s income, and the rest is adding spending. Don’t you think that doing both together is a bad idea ?
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17827 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.3
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Message 4737 of 5796 (871166)
01-29-2020 12:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 4734 by Faith
01-29-2020 12:02 PM
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Re: Paying down the National Debt
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There's really no point in having this discussion. Nobody knows anything, it's really all based on partisan politics as everything is these days.
Well no. That’s just you. And if you stopped pretending that the truth is partisan politics you might do a lot better here.
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17827 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.3
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Message 4797 of 5796 (871272)
01-31-2020 12:48 AM
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consider that defence spending includes this
F35 program Weapons development programs are expensive and the outcomes can be disappointing.
Inaccurate gun, cybersecurity issues, and poor reliability found by testing director. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fix link - Was a space between the "=" and the "https"
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17827 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.3
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Message 4820 of 5796 (871323)
01-31-2020 4:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 4815 by Faith
01-31-2020 4:12 PM
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Re: Heritage Foundation Senior Analyst on the deficit and Natoinal Debt
I see. From his point of view you are a worthless parasite and the money used to support you would be better spent on fighter jets that can’t shoot straight. And if he has to misrepresent the truth a bit to get that outcome, he’s fine with that.
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17827 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.3
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Message 4966 of 5796 (871745)
02-11-2020 8:13 AM
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Reply to: Message 4693 by Percy
01-28-2020 10:01 PM
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Re: Another Brain Injury Update
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The last number was 34, it is now 50.
The total has now risen to 109 BBC
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PaulK
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Message 5014 of 5796 (872176)
02-21-2020 4:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 5012 by frako
02-21-2020 4:21 PM
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Re: Trump In Colorado Springs: Fox
Exactly
Corin Kealoha and Shaun Karagory both work full time - but cannot afford food without the help of a food bank. "We can't even live off our wages," says Corin, 46, who works as a hotel receptionist. "That's why we come here." BBC
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17827 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.3
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Message 5018 of 5796 (872180)
02-21-2020 4:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 5015 by Faith
02-21-2020 4:26 PM
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Re: Trump In Colorado Springs: Fox
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Which as far as anyone knows has absolutely nothing to do with Trump's achievements.
The fact that people in full time work need to use food banks is evidence that the unemployment figures are not telling the full story. Being off food stamps and unemployment and having a job is not always enough. Some more quotes:
"Unemployment is low, but unfortunately unemployment is not a great indicator of how many people are hungry," says Jocelyn Lantrip, from the Food Bank of Northern Nevada, which supplies charities, including St Vincent's Food Pantry. And often, those going hungry - or temporarily homeless - are people who already have jobs. This one is pretty relevant to Trump’s achievements:
The latest data from the Census Bureau suggests that median household income is still just below 2008 levels, he adds. And the couple it talks about - their trouble is not something that has gone on unchanged for years.
It's something Corin and Shaun, 39, experienced last year, after Shaun, who works as a security guard, developed fibromyalgia and had to take some time off work. "We became homeless because I couldn't afford to pay the rent," says Corin. "We basically ended up living in our car." They have since moved into a studio apartment - although the rent, which is $900 a month, takes a significant bite out of their wages - they both earn $10 per hour. "About 60% of our households are not invested in the stock market - they depend on wages - and a large percentage of those folks, particularly lower-income workers, haven't benefited from the recovery at all," says Mr Restrepo. "The challenge is that wages have been pretty stagnant after you adjust for inflation." And healthcare is a big issue
Adrielle Hammon, 35, works in a pre-school, making $9 an hour. Last year, she and her husband qualified for Medicaid, a public healthcare scheme for poor Americans - which meant when her son had a medical emergency, the $40,000 hospital bill was covered. This year, her family's income has grown - Adrielle believes they are now "roughly middle class" - but it means they no longer qualify for Medicaid, and neither of them receives health insurance through work. "We can afford food, gas and bills now," she says. "But you throw in things like hospital bills, and that's something worrisome... I don't go to the doctor for anything unless someone's literally dying."
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17827 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.3
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Message 5019 of 5796 (872181)
02-21-2020 5:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 5015 by Faith
02-21-2020 4:26 PM
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Re: Trump In Colorado Springs: Fox
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And why do you guys always compare improvement with perfection?
I certainly didn’t. I was pointing out that the you were leaving out an important part of the story. If a couple, in full time work don’t earn enough to live on there is a serious problem.
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Just for propaganda's sake, obviously
Because revealing important facts is propaganda to you.
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But you give an anecdote without even any detail so we could judge that situation.
There is more information in the article. And it doesn’t make things look better for you.
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17827 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.3
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Message 5022 of 5796 (872189)
02-22-2020 2:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 5020 by Faith
02-21-2020 5:58 PM
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Re: Trump In Colorado Springs: Fox
There’s more than enough information to conclude that the reduction in unemployment is not the whole story. The fact that wages haven’t recovered even to 2008 levels is a start. If they each earn $10 an hour and rent is $900 a month that’s 90 hours of work just to pay rent. Unless they’re working 45+ hour weeks that will be more than a weeks worth. It’s easy to see how they might be unable to pay the rent if one of them was unable to work, as happened. Closing your eyes and refusing to think about it is not going to convince anyone. Any more than the usual false attacks.
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17827 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.3
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Message 5041 of 5796 (872272)
02-24-2020 8:51 AM
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Reply to: Message 5040 by Faith
02-24-2020 8:39 AM
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Re: This One's For You
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Oh I'm not going to "concede" about the fake news, I'm very aware of it all the time as are most of us on the right.
That isn’t what Percy asked you but you’ve already admitted that it’s just news that makes Trump look bad. Calling it fake news is just a lie.
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It's quite obvious to us, odd that it's so overlooked by the other side.
They don’t overlook it, they just don’t want it censored as you - and Trump - do.
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PaulK
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Message 5043 of 5796 (872274)
02-24-2020 9:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 5042 by Faith
02-24-2020 9:00 AM
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Re: This One's For You
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So you call wanting objective neutral factual reporting "censorship" because you don't want objective neutral factual reporting, you want leftist opinion instead of news
No. As I said I don’t want reports censored to remove objective factual reporting just because it makes Trump look bad. Because that would be anything but neutral.
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17827 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.3
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Message 5055 of 5796 (872305)
02-25-2020 1:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 5054 by Faith
02-24-2020 10:11 PM
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Re: This One's For You
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That's because there is no true objective news available apart from the conservative talk shows. That's what I'm saying, there is none, it's all leftist propaganda
In other words your idea of true objective news is so far from objective that even Fox News with it’s strong right-wing bias is classed as leftist propaganda. That says it all, really. You don’t want objective reporting and if you get it you will call it leftist propaganda.
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17827 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.3
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Message 5062 of 5796 (872350)
02-26-2020 1:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 5061 by Faith
02-26-2020 1:27 PM
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Re: This One's For You
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That's the point.
That your opinions are mindless bigotry? That’s true but it really isn’t a point that helps you.
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There is no real news, or you have to go look for it because it isn't what the public gets every day, it's all leftist ideological propaganda...
We’ve established that you call real news leftist ideological propaganda - or even news with a hefty dose of right wing bias. What you mean by real news is at best extreme right-wing commentary. Which I suppose reinforces the point, but again it isn’t a point that helps you.
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... so you can't answer me with the opinions of left-wingers.
Well, yes we can because they are a good deal more trustworthy than your opinions. You have a record of praising awful nonsense, you can’t evaluate arguments and then there’s your political bigotry. Add to that the fact that Levine is a loon who wants to undermine the Constitution and there doesn’t seem a good reason to read the book with the Orwellian title.
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17827 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.3
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Message 5065 of 5796 (872353)
02-26-2020 1:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 5063 by Faith
02-26-2020 1:44 PM
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Re: This One's For You
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What I mean by "real news" is simple straightforward objective neutral reporting of the facts of any situation
And you insist that all the news - which must include Fox News even if you exclude Breitbart and the like - is leftist propaganda. But Fox News has a right wing bias and quite a strong one. And talk shows - which you call news - do NOT do straightforward objective neutral reporting of the facts. So no. Your claim is disproven by your own words.
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If you pay attention you should see that the headlines and the stories of any of the main media contain emotionally tendentious words and concepts that are opinion rather than reporting
Yes, I thought you’d go that way, but that hardly proves a left wing bias. Indeed, headlines often have done that for a long, long time because the headline has to sell the story. And your talk shows will be worse, not better.
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PaulK
Member Posts: 17827 Joined: 01-10-2003 Member Rating: 2.3
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Message 5086 of 5796 (872409)
02-27-2020 12:17 AM
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Reply to: Message 5071 by Faith
02-26-2020 6:44 PM
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Re: This One's For You
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I had to grow into my views, there's nothing tribal about them
Your tribalism is very, very obvious.
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You don't know why I believe what I believe.
Your love of hate and lies is a big part of it.
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The Left is THE evil force in the world today.
In general the source of hate and lies is more evil than the target. And there is a whole lot of evil on the Right.
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Come soon Lord, come soon. The world is getting worse every day.
Your Lord is Satan.
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