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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Under the Trump administration the annual deficit has increased rapidly, unusual in a healthy economy: It's what happens when you throw a lot of money into the system in a way that it boosts the stock market. It's artificial growth. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
We are essentially bankrupt now, we just keep pretending we aren't. It is not possible for a sovereign nation -- one that prints its own money -- to be bankrupt. Of course this can cause inflation unless balanced by other fed behavior, such as changing interest rates. Sovereign nation legal definition of Sovereign nation Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
All I meant was that we are so enormously in debt it's as good as being bankrupt. Bad choice of wording I guess.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
All I meant was that we are so enormously in debt it's as good as being bankrupt. Bad choice of wording I guess. See Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) Definition
quote: It seems anti-intuitive, but it also seems to accurately explain economic behavior. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
As I understand it, the only reason the Dems are attacking Sanders is their fear he can't win against Trump. ... No, it's because the corporate elite DNC/DINO crowd is afraid that he CAN win. It's the billionaires and their minions in the party that are against him, because the real "battle" is between the rich rich and the working people. That's why Bloomberg entered the race. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I wasn't clear what is meant by "Red baiting" so I looked it up. Seems to me it's just a way of saying all criticism of Communism or Marxism and the like is invalid. No point in ever discussing or debating it, you're just wrong before you start if you dare to criticize any of it. So if you point out that all Communist regimes have been murderous oppressive totalitarian systems, that's "red baiting." \
All sorts of claims are made by people who are enamored of these utopian dream systems, but the reality always turns out to be something more like a nightmare, and still the enamored ones don't see it. I just recently read somewhere, where? Wish I knew, of someone's experience of the wonderful health care system in Cuba. Visitors from the US were there when their host's mother in law fell and broke her hip. They had to drive her to the hospital themselves because there weren't enough ambulances. They had to take their own bedding because the hospital wouldn't have any. They couldn't get her into the first two hospitals they tried, thenfinally the third would take her. They brought out a metal gurney with no padding on it. She had to wait a week before they could do surgery on her hip. When they finally did they were apparently incompetent and it took hours when it should only have taken one hour or so. She was under anesthesia that whole time, which caused brain damage. Great health care system in Cuba.
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Faith writes: If it were Obama we'd never ever have heard of hirings or firings the way we do with Trump. It's all part of the witch hunt. Is the intent to say so many absurd things that no one can keep up? --Percy
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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I wasn't clear what is meant by "Red baiting" so I looked it up. Seems to me it's just a way of saying all criticism of Communism or Marxism and the like is invalid. No point in ever discussing or debating it, you're just wrong before you start if you dare to criticize any of it. So if you point out that all Communist regimes have been murderous oppressive totalitarian systems, that's "red baiting." Could you please cite your source on that? We would want to see what it actually says. That way, we could tell whether your source is completely wrong (and/or right-wingnut) or whether you completely misunderstood and misconstrued what it actually says. Here is what Wikipedia says at Red-baiting:
quote: So then red-baiting has absolutely nothing to do with invalidating "all criticism of Communism or Marxism and the like" (as you falsely claim), but rather it is basically denouncing and discrediting your opponent by denouncing him as a Communist. Like you do constantly against anyone who is not a Trumpista. BTW, there's also Reductio ad Hitlerum in which you agreeing with anything that Hitler or Nazis believed (eg, being a vegetarian, being against tobacco smoking, liking dogs) effectively makes you a Nazi too. Both the reductio ad Stalinum and reductio ad Hitlerum fallacies are commonly used in bogus attacks against evolution and against atheism. Edited by dwise1, : Added more explanation
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Faith writes: Good grief it's dangerous trying to talk to you. I don't know how you manage to twist everything I say but you have an amazing knack for it. Why are you singling me out? Everyone finds what you say twisted.
Because I hate Communism therefore I have no concerns for my suffering fellow human beings? Huh? No, that isn't what I said. I referred to your fiscal concerns, where you said that love for your fellow man would bankrupt the country. I said that you're just using fiscal concerns as a smokescreen and excuse for your hatred and contempt for your fellow man.
Yes I'm fairly McCarthyesque I suppose. Well, I guess we've found the witch hunt.
Communism is definitely UnAmerican as the committee name said,... You seem to be misinformed about McCarthyism. No one is favoring communism, you're just accusing them of it. The former is not McCarthyism, the latter is. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Faith writes: You write so many posts... It's like you have a manic drive to be wrong. You have many, many more posts than me, both generally and in this thread:
...and at such length... The length is dictated by what is required to make a given point, providing whatever evidence and rationale is necessary. The extreme brevity of most of your posts is due to the absence of any substance, relying almost exclusively on ad hominem.
...I just overlook a lot of it. You overlook most of most posts. It explains the ignorance, a great deal of which is of the actual discussion itself. Your response to most posts pays no attention to what was said but instead just repeats your fact free boilerplate scolds. People's longer responses to you, the ones where people have taken the time and effort to provide facts and explanations, tend to be the most inconvenient to your point of view, so you just ignore them. So much easier.
Sometimes I'll pick up on a sentence or two if the whole thing is too much to handle. The brazenness of your lack of respect for the efforts of others working hard to provide facts and reasoned argument is breathtaking.
I was making the simple point that I thought we all knew, that America is known for our prosperity including a poorest class that is better off than the poor in most other nations, and our freedoms. A lot of it had to do with some people making great wealth which benefited the entire nation. Which isn't to deny problems associated with that but that's another subject I don't want to get into here. You've responded to the side comment and completely ignored the main point. You claimed trickle down works. It doesn't. It *does* happen, but it's a minor effect. What *is* true is that workers will be exploited unless they band together to negotiate higher wages. Unions were largely responsible for the increasing wages of the twentieth century, a record of progress that halted during the Reagan administration and that was most memorably marked by the decertification of PATCO (Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization). Unions have become progressively weaker and wage growth has stagnated ever since.
I can't even begin to try to address what you made of what I said. I was not "complaining" by the way, simply stating the facts of my financial situation. I didn't mean to suggest it's not enough. It's very little but it's enough, I do OK. Yes it's entitlement programs I'm on. Yes. I didn't intend to mislead in any way. You changed your story according to the point you were making. When you were explaining to JonF why you accepted Social Security and Medicare you explained that you needed the help. You provided your monthly Social Security income, and said you dreamed of ways to make money. Things were tough. But your story changed when you later claimed you were benefiting from Republican policies. Now suddenly the story was about your "really nice apartment" and how you have "all the food and medical help I need," and that you could apply for even more but that you don't need it. Things were wonderful. You still haven't explained your claim that you're benefiting from Republican policies. You were, I presume, in the same apartment collecting Social Security and using Medicare under Obama, and that hasn't changed under Trump. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Faith writes: Groups do tend to vote as blocs, and big cities are always going to overshadow the voters in "flyover country" without the protection of the Electoral College. The Founders knew that city people and rural people are not going to agree on many candidates and issues and tried to make the system fairer to the rural areas which would otherwise be overwhelmed all the time by the big cities. This is dead wrong. In 1790 the divergence of city/rural attitudes was far in the future, so there was no fear of domination of the vote by citified opinions. Also, in 1790 cities were nowhere near as large as they are today. Back then the population of the country was more than a hundred times that of its largest city (New York), while today it's only 38 times. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Faith writes: I suspect the accusation of voter suppression is false anyway,... You're wrong again: Voter suppression in the United States - Wikipedia
...and gerrymandering can be done in any state, by Democrats as well as Republicans. This is true. Hopefully we agree that all gerrymandering is wrong and that district boundaries should be drawn by independent commissions.
So all I'd say in response is that the Electoral College is not the problem you are talking about, you are bringing up many other kinds of problems that have nothing to do with this subject as such. Republicans comprise 53% of the Senate but represent only 45% of the people. Each Republican senator represents about 2.8 million people, each Democrat about 3.8 million. Providing an example, this means that Kavanaugh's nomination to the Supreme Court was passed by representatives of 30 million fewer people than those opposed. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I referred to your fiscal concerns, where you said that love for your fellow man would bankrupt the country. I said that you're just using fiscal concerns as a smokescreen and excuse for your hatred and contempt for your fellow man. Well, I had no idea what you were referring to, so let me see if I can straighten out this miserable mangled mess. I was talking about a political utopia, not my fellow man but the Communist utopia that you called caring about one's fellow man. My point was it has nothing to do with caring for one's fellow man, it's a political system that destroys nations and of course people. It is certainly dangerous to talk to you as I said, and yhou probably still don't get what I meant.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Just because I talk about different aspects of my financial situation in different contexts doesn't mean I'm falsifying anything. You are very dangerous to talk to. You so rarely get anything right that I say.
And of course you responded to my problem with your many long posts by producing some statistic that I actually write more posts, which completely misses the poinjt that you NORMALLY write half a dozen long long long posts all addressed to me, in one block. I can't deal with most of it, sorry. Especially when so much of what you say is the kind of ridiculous mangled mess you so often make of my messages. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Republicans comprise 53% of the Senate but represent only 45% of the people. Each Republican senator represents about 2.8 million people, each Democrat about 3.8 million. Providing an example, this means that Kavanaugh's nomination to the Supreme Court was passed by representatives of 30 million fewer people than those opposed. The Founders weren't exclusivedly interested in how many "people" were represented, they were interested in political entities being represented, such as states, which otherwise would be disenfranchised by the big population centers. Originally Senators were to be appointed by states and it had nothing to do with the population, each state or political unit had rthe same number of Senators no matter what its population because population was NOT the important issue in the Founders' minds.. So to criticize these things on the basis of population is to completely miss the whole point. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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