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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: Oh I'm not going to "concede" about the fake news,... You've never been able to support your claims about fake news. You keep claiming fake news but are never able to show it. Crying "fake news" at any news you don't like is just the lazy person's know-nothing approach. There is zero effort, research and information in your cries of fake news. You've done no work at all, merely called something a name. But this isn't about fake news. This is about your error in claiming the mainstream news doesn't cover Trump rallies. Your claim is false. I've already shown you were wrong about the Phoenix rally, and about the India rally (you didn't qualify your claim by geographic location). You can concede your error now, else I will continue to post links to mainstream news items reporting on Trump rallies, which they do for every single one. They say there's an inverse relationship between knowledge and certainty. You are very certain. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Are you maybe thinking of the DNC servers, which were in the cloud? Clinton's email server was at her home. From Hillary Clinton email controversy - Wikipedia:
quote: Clinton left her position at State in February of 2013, so the server was at her home during the entire period that she was Secretary of State. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: So you call wanting objective neutral factual reporting "censorship" because you don't want objective neutral factual reporting, you want leftist opinion instead of news. Be happy then, that's what you're getting. You already have a conservative whitewash of the news in your political commentators. We don't want actual news organizations to engage in any whitewash. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Clarify.
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: The news is not talk shows... All your information comes from talk shows.
...and what I said, very clearly, is that I want the NEWS to be objective, neutral and factual, which is NOT talk shows. Yes, we keep telling you that the conservative talk shows you listen to are not news.
But of course you switched the topic which was that the NEWS is leftist, NOT objective, neutral and factual. I reminded you that you get all your information from conservative talk shows instead of the news.
Once upon a time a long time ago journalism aspired to this heady height of neutral objectivity, then changed when it got top heavy with leftists who thought their political persuasions more important than objectivity or fairness to their opponents. As I pointed out, all you do is say this, never show it.
Read Mark Levin's "Unfreedom of the Press" some time, he investigates the history of all that. Mark Levin is a conservative commentator, not a reporter. Unfreedom of the Press is full of fake news. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Even just when campaigning against fellow Democrats Bernie Sanders must defend his identification as a socialist, and it will become far worse should he win the nomination. He prefers the modifier "democratic," but that's a distinction without a difference for most people. A headline from today's Fox News illustrates what he will be up against: Bernie Sanders' defense of Castro's Cuba evokes socialism's brutal history | Fox News
--Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: All your information comes from talk shows. That's because there is no true objective news available apart from the conservative talk shows. That's what I'm saying, there is none, it's all leftist propaganda. We know what you're saying, and we also know what you're proving true: nothing. You have no data, no information, no research, just a lot of empty denigration and hate.
Mark Levin is a conservative commentator, not a reporter. Unfreedom of the Press is full of fake news. The book is a scholarly study of the history of journalism in America. Scholarly, factual, and chock full of sources at the back of the book. It shows how American Journalism became Leftist propaganda. If that's true then you should be able to show it instead of just say it. The reality is that the book is a hack job. From Mark Levin - Wikipedia:
quote: The book has no choice but to be a hack job because the opinions it proffers have no factual support, so Levin is forced to make it up. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: Your critics are leftists. Enough said. This is political bigotry empty of thought and facts. 'Nuf said. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: Faith, originally writes:
Your critics are leftists. Enough said.percy, responding writes: This is political bigotry empty of thought and facts. That's the point. Indeed. You also seem to have forgotten how to cut-n-paste a nested quote.
There is no real news,... While there is no real discussion from you, there is plenty of real news.
...or you have to go look for it because it isn't what the public gets every day,... Really? Trump didn't go to India, speak at a rally, and tour the Taj Mahal? The coronavirus isn't causing a great deal of concern as it spreads worldwide? There wasn't a Democratic debate in South Carolina Tuesday night? The House didn't pass an anti-lynching bill? There wasn't a mass shooting in Milwaukee today? Weinstein wasn't found guilty? That's what's been in the news lately.
...it's all leftist ideological propaganda,... Where is there anything leftist in any of that news?
...so you can't answer me with the opinions of left-wingers. You're still confusing news with opinion. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: What I mean by "real news" is simple straightforward objective neutral reporting of the facts of any situation. If you pay attention you should see that the headlines and the stories of any of the main media contain emotionally tendentious words and concepts that are opinion rather than reporting. In many cases the story itself isn't really newsworthy at all but is published because it suggests something the left can use as propaganda against Trump or his supporters. Until you can show it this is still just mindless, fact-free babble.
I see it every day,... No you don't. If you saw it everyday then you could post links to it every day, but you don't because you can't because it doesn't exist and you're making it up.
I've shown some examples of it,... Not once.
...there is no escaping it,... There does seem no escaping your unthinking, baseless litany.
...but if you share the opinions you are likely not to notice it and think it IS real news. You continue to confuse news and opinion. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: What are you going to do about the slanted headlines I'm talking about? When are you going to show they're slanted? You've never produced any slanted headlines. I posted a bunch of headlines about the Trump Phoenix rally (thereby proving your claim wrong that the mainstream media doesn't report about Trump rallies) and you called them slanted. I showed that everything in the headlines was accurate and you had no answer. Care to try again? Here are those headlines again:
Do you even see them? Do something about that before you tell me what to do. You must first show how your claims have any basis in fact.
"Every financial thread pulled results in scandal?" That's supposed to be objective reporting? Doesn't she have to prove that, not just assert it? The irony is strong in this one.
The problem is that she probably doesn't know what the law says about any of it, she just "feels" like there's scandal there, which is the case with much of the Leftist "reporting." OR the legal system itself is corrupted by leftist ideology in the first place, and we know it is. You're making uninformed accusations. DWise1 gave you a link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEuOPcbWoKs). Either ask DWise1 to support his claim that Maddow's show is based on hard facts or say nothing, but don't make stuff up.
Same with Trump's business dealings. What looks like corruption to you probably is standard business, done all the time by everybody. Yeah, sure, Trump's not corrupt. That's why he had no problem making his tax returns public.
How would I know? How would you know? I can't take your headlines and your knee jerk interpretations for gospel truth,... No one's asking you to accept headlines as gospel truth. We're asking you to inform yourself before putting fingers in gear.
Everything that the Left tried to make into an impeachable offense was perfectly legal or just plain ordinary stuff, sometimes just a personality style. Address all that, get all that straightened out and you may have a point. Trump didn't commit violations of the law but of the Constitution itself, the very foundation of our law. He attempted to coerce a foreign power to interfere in his favor in an American election, and he obstructed Congress in its investigation of same.
I don't see Rachel Maddow at all for whatever reason. But I would ask, what if all that documentation she is displaying is itself ideologically biased? For instance the foreman of the jury and the judge herself in the Roger Stone case were active ideologues against Stone who should not have been allowed to have a part in the trial. What does Maddow do with that kind of information? She'd probably remind you that the defense already knew the juror's background and didn't use a challenge on her, and that Trump casts insults at every judge whose rulings he doesn't like, and that even Attorney General William Barr wishes Trump would stop tweeting such things.
Of course we're already at odds when you smear the Republican comments in the House and extol the Democrats' when as I heard it, lengthy audio of it, whole speeches here and there, the Democrats had no case at all and the Republicans were brilliant, yes brilliant. Can you provide us some quotes of this brilliance?
Any idea what to do about the polarization here? You could try informing yourself and include that information in your posts.
Lately all I can do is hope the Rapture comes soon and the Lord will have mercy on me and let me be in it. AbE: Lotta conservatives will be gone, lotta Christians will be gone, there should be a preponderance of leftists, liberals, Democrats in America to run the show before the Tribulation hits. Maybe three or so years. You should enjoy that. Such predictions are oh for the last two thousand years. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: Gosh, you put some of the news in your own words and ask me to find the leftist bias in it? That's . um....words fail me. Give me some real headlines. I'm talking about news, not headlines. That means actually reading the articles. Here are some links to the news I just listed, you tell us the leftist bias:
--Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: I commented on the rally headlines when you posted them, I don't see any point in repeating what I said. That's all you ever do is repeat what you said. You once again merely wrote the same words over and over again while not saying anything true or based upon fact. Here's your chance at a redo. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: Part of that is my fault, I don't do enough research... All of it is your fault, and it's not because you don't do enough research, it's that you don't do any. That's why all your posts are fact free zones. Trump attempted to coerce a foreign power to interfere in his favor in an American election, and he obstructed Congress in its investigation of same. You never gone beyond, in effect, "No he didn't." Try a redo. You can start with the testimony before the House Intelligence Committee. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Faith writes: No he did not. that is leftist spin on a perfectly normal communication with a foreign leader about corruption in his government. And there is no such thing as obstructing Congress, especially when Congress is violating the separation of powers by trying to push around the Presidency. Yes he did. That is right-wing spin on an unconstitutional coercion of a foreign leader for help in the election. And there is such a thing as obstructing Congress, especially when Congress is trying to carry out its part of the constitutional responsibility of checks and balances. Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Faith writes: Trump had and has no need for help in the election and the whole idea is utterly screamingly ridiculous. Biden wasn't the candidate and not even likely to be but even if he was Trump has nothing to fear from any of the Democrats anyway and the idea that he'd be looking for some kind of dirt is a foul lle. It was Hillary who paid for "dirt," totally invented dirt on Trump, and Biden himself paid to get his son out from under an investigation into corruption. It was Biden who did that but the Left always dumps its own corruptions onto Trump. Trump was asking about corruptions that involved our elections because that's his job. The rest is Leftist lies and lies and more lies. Because your posts are just mindless boilerplate full of factual errors, one can just do word substitution to generate a reply while inserting facts that are actually true:
Trump had and has great need for help in the election and the whole idea that he doesn't is utterly screamingly ridiculous. Biden was the most likely candidate and Trump fears losing the election to the Democrats. Looking for some kind of dirt is just what he always does. It was Trump who paid off porn stars and paramours and totally invented accusations on his political opponents, such as the lie that Biden's son was under investigation in the Ukraine for corruption and that Biden paid to get him off. Biden did no such thing. The Right always dumps its own corruptions onto the Democrats. Trump was asking for help corrupting our election because that's who he his. The rest is Rightist lies and lies and more lies. --Percy
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