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We're trying to raise awareness of the problem so solutions can be found. No, you have to start with acknowledging there is a problem. Which you have refused to do. Ah, fantasizing again. Please try to keep up. From previous posts:

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From June 17 to June 19, 2019, I was part of a team of lawyers, doctors and interpreters monitoring conditions for children in Border Patrol stations in the El Paso, Texas area on behalf of the class of children protected by the Flores Settlement Agreement.[4] On June 17 and 19 I interviewed children detained at the Clint Border Patrol Station, and on June 18, I interviewed children and their families at the El Paso Station (also known as Station 1) and the Santa Teresa Border Patrol Station. I personally interviewed 16 detained children in these three facilities, while our monitoring team interviewed over 50 children throughout our visit.

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During our visits to five Border Patrol facilities and two ports of entry in the Rio Grande Valley,2 we reviewed compliance with CBP’s Transport, Escort, Detention and Search (TEDS) standards, which govern CBP’s interaction with detained individuals,3 and observed serious overcrowding and prolonged detention of unaccompanied alien children (UACs),4 families, and single adults that require immediate attention. Specifically, Border Patrol was holding about 8,000 detainees in custody at the time of our visit, with 3,400 held longer than the 72 hours generally permitted under the TEDS standards.5 Of those 3,400 detainees, Border Patrol held 1,500 for more than 10 days. ...

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In addition to holding roughly 30 percent of minor detainees for longer than 72 hours, several Rio Grande Valley facilities struggled to meet other TEDS standards for UACs and families. For example, children at three of the five Border Patrol facilities we visited had no access to showers, despite the TEDS standards requiring that reasonable efforts be made to provide showers to children approaching 48 hours in detention.8 At these facilities, children had limited access to a change of clothes; Border Patrol had few spare clothes and no laundry facilities. While all facilities had infant formula, diapers, baby wipes, and juice and snacks for children, we observed that two facilities had not provided children access to hot meals as is required by the TEDS standards9 until the week we arrived.10 Instead, the children were fed sandwiches and snacks for their meals. Additionally, while Border Patrol tried to provide the least restrictive setting available for children (e.g., by leaving holding room doors open), the limited space for medical isolation resulted in some UACs and families being held in closed cells.

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So, how many facilities was that again? Is there any reason to believe they are not typical? (Knowing you won't answer). The problem is barbaric and inhumane treatment of migrants. Step one is acknowledging there is a problem, which the right wing, especially YOU, refuse to do. The only people that can solve the problem are those who refuse to admit there is a problem.But there are some obvious ways to improve the situation. Instead of cutting aid to the Northern Triangle countries, increase aid and work with them to ameliorate the conditions that cause people to migrate. Don't automatically charge crossers with a crime, requiring incarceration and family separation. Release non-criminal adults and families rather than incarcerating them (the vast majority of them do show up for their court dates, and many of the others don't show up because the government didn't properly notify them).Unfortunately only the government can do something about that, and this administration doesn't listen to liberals.

Yeah, basing your ideas on no facts is much better than evaluating the available facts.We've presented official US Government reports, legal documents, and videos clearly showing what's going on and the Government's attitude. They are facts.Do you really think there are other facts that make that kind of treatment acceptable? Obviously you do. Astonishing.Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

Congress isn't withholding the funds. Trump signed the funding bill on July 1. Of course it takes time to apply the funds. $2.9 billion goes to Health and Human Services. $1.3 billion goes to Border Patrol to improve incarceration conditions, but not for any more beds. From the most recent official Justice Department report: "UAC" is unaccompanied children. The light green is no-shows. But cases in which the defendant showed up but are not yet closed don't appear, so the more recent data is a significant undercount. If you count ongoing cases as the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse (TRAC) at Syracuse University did, the overall appearance ratee is 81%. The problems in 2015 and 16 are not even comparable to today's problem. For example, the meals served to the children were not the ones they were used to and some refused toe at them. Some families were detained in facilities that were not licensed to house children., and some were detained too long. None of the overcrowding, none of the sleeping on a concrete floor or standing up, lights turned off at night, no reports of mistreatment of migrants. Far short of today's conditions. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/us/FloresRuling.pdf is the complete rugling.But those are all facts, and you don't want facts.I do find it interesting that you are turning to the Obama administration for moral guidance.

Yeah, we know you ar in favor of the barbaric and inhumane conditions. I pointed out one way to reduce the number of migrants, the opposite of what the administration is doing.Nobody's withholding funds. Please try to keep up. Trump signed the bill on July 1. It does take time for that money to take effect, and it remains to be seen what that effect will actually be.As I've said before, you'll do anything to avoid the topic of whether the conditions at the border are acceptable in the United States of America. Every one of your messages reinforces the conclusion that you thing those conditions are great.

All the relevant facts I could find. Feel free to post some actual evidence that my facts are wrong or biased.You can't.You prefer fantasies made up from no facts.

Your continued refusal to condemn the conditions is avoiding the question.I don't deny Percy's explanation in Message 2168. I wholeheartedly agree.I haven't made any insinuations. I've presented and explained facts.Ah, so you do think that the current conditions are sensible. That clears that up.

I can't find any instance of Percy saying that. If he said it after July 1 he's wrong.You should believe me because it's a matter of public record and easily checked. Donald Trump signs $4.6 billion border aid bill - UPI.com

Trump signs bill granting $4.6B in emergency funds for US border

Trump signs $4.6 billion migrant aid bill | PBS NewsHour$4.59B border aid package signed into law - Roll Call

President Trump Signs $4.6B Humanitarian Aid Bill To Fund Efforts At The BorderThat last one is from One America News Network, which is far to the right of Fox and Trump is watching a lot.Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

dupe.Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

Leaving their kids to fend for themselves for a day or more. Some kids still haven't been reunited with their parents.

We do have rational standards in place. They haven't helped in solving the Southeast border problem.

The majority of the migrants are seeking asylum, which is legal by both US law and international law (to which we are signatories). Most of the rest are, as you know, crossing illegally no matter what standards we have.The most effective way to solve the problem is at the source. More aid and support for the Northern Triangle countriesTrump wants to make it worse by cutting their aid, so conditions there will deteriorate further.

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Well, it is the government's responsibility. But of course many people tried. They were rejected. Many are doing this. It's weakened by the fact that Trump's base (including you) haven't joined in and deny the existence of a problem. Many other detention facilities are mentioned, as I documented this morning. Given that all the facilities inspected had major, and the fact that the same organization runs them all under the same rules and budget, it's pretty certainly widespread if not universal. The number of migrants is a huge part of the problem. Another element is spaces to put them. I don't know what they will do with the money, but it cannot be used for beds because the law says so.We want to think about it and are trying to help where we can. Much of the government (Republicans) and a lot of right-wingers don't want to think about it because they say it doesn't exist. Remember how many messages you posted trying to find some way of denying a problem? I'm not yet convinced you do accept the existence and scope of the problem. You are still asking questions that have been answered.You're arguing solely from dogma. Your posts make it clear that before this discussion you knew nothing about the issue. Anything you've learned has been from here. I suspect you haven't picked up much.

The House passed the Senate bill without change, in the interest of avoiding the delay of reconciling and revoting. Pelosi took a lot of flack. So nothing is affected by the House opinions.

Nope. Where did you get such an incredibly wrong idea?One cannot apply for asylum at a US Embassy. One may apply for asylum at a legal port of entry or anywhere inside the US (regardless of whether one is here legally or not). 8 U.S. Code 1158. Asylum

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Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

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