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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
No sensible person would listen to talk shows of any stripe for information. The key word is "show". It's for entertainment. No chance you ever listen to the conservative talk shows, right?Welcome back, Faith.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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No chance you ever listen to the conservative talk shows, right? Yes I have, which is why I know to not waste my time with them. When Rush Limbaugh, riding on the success of his radio show, started his TV show, we watched it just to see what he had to say. He literally had nothing to say. That entire half hour was devoid of any actual content and consisted solely of him mocking Democrats in a sub-juvenile manner. It left us wondering what is so seriously wrong about his audience. A co-worker would listen to conservative radio and Rush never got any better, nor were the other hosts anything to brag about. I've heard Alex Jones, especially his over-the-top screaming lunatic anti-semitic rant. Remember that he's the one whose "PizzaGate" bullshit lies almost got people killed when one of his listeners showed up at that pizza shop with a loaded rifle (which then accidentally discharged). And I have also seen the Fake News Network in action with all its lies and distortions. My reaction to conservative media remains the same: I cannot understand how any normal person could possibly listen to that tripe, let alone believe it over reality. Studies have repeatedly shown that people who rely on Fake News Network and other conservative media know less about current affairs than those who don't use any news source. Indeed, one of the functions of Fake News Network is to filter out actual news; eg, when Trump has really pulled a boner (ie, bad even by his low standards) then Fake News Network instead covers their on-going accusations of Hillary Clinton.
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
dwise1 writes: My reaction to conservative media remains the same: I cannot understand how any normal person could possibly listen to that tripe, let alone believe it over reality. That's my reaction as well. I sometimes hear my own mother repeating tropes from the far right wing media, and it is all I can do to keep my jaw from hitting the ground. From what I can tell, she is completely drawn in by the reinforcement of the fake christian persecution culture. She is absolutely sure that the rest of the world is out to get the christians, and right wing media is all too happy to feed that fear. The rest of the nonsense is also taken on as part of being in that tribe. It is just amazing to see that gaslighting works, and it is normal, everyday people that get drawn into it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Lately they're all talking about things related to the Mueller report and Barr's investigation of the investigation. They often have experts on to discuss the issues. Oh and the border crisis is another main topic.
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Admin Director Posts: 13042 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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Chiroptera writes: ...best **** for people who....
Can we remove this absurd "censoring" now? It really seems a bit petty and kind of annoying even to some people who aren't Faith. A few weeks ago when Faith's posts across several threads began to be dominated by disparaging comments about fellow participants instead of about the topic, I decided to try adding words to Faith's disallowed words list to see if it would help. Whenever Faith made a disparaging personal comment I would add the relevant words to her list of disallowed words. Within a short time much more of Faith's messages were about the topic instead of about the people discussing the topic. In other words, it seems to work. Here are some excerpts from Faith posts from before I began populating her disallowed words list:
You're either illiterate or a liar. ... What is with you idiots... ... ...YOU EVIL LYING CREEP. ... I DON'T NEED A LIST YOU JERK, TRUMP IS CLEARLY REFERRING TO PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS, YOU IDIOT LYING CREEP. ... TRUMP WAS VERY CLEAR THAT HE WAS NOT TALING ABOUT WHITE SUPREMACISTS NO MATTER WHAT YOU LEFTIST LYING CREEPS THINK. ... Liar. Evil lying leftist creep. The Left came there without a permit and contributed to the violence you evil lying Leftist creep. Liar, idiot, creep, liar liar liar. WHAT TRUMP SAID WAS VERY CLEAR AND VERY REJECTING OF WHITE SUPREMACISTS YOU LYING LEFTIST CREEP.... iDIOT. ... THAT IS MORONIC...YOU BLITHERING IDIOTS. ... ...YOU BLITHERING IDIOT,... ... ...YOU MISERABLE LYING LEFTIST MORON. ... Hey idiot! ... YOU BLITHERING IDIOT. ... WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS IF THERE ARE ANY HONEST LEFTISTS HERE WHO SEE THE TRUTH, OR IS EVERYBODY A TRUMP-HATING IDIOT WHO CAN'T SEE BEYOND HIS STUPID BIAS? THAT'S THE CHOICE, AN IDIOT OR A COWARD WHO WON'T SUPPORT THE TRUTH. ... ...YOU BLITHERING IDIOT,... ... What a typical lying Leftist shyster you are...YOU NEED A SMACK TO THE HEAD THAT WOULD KNOCK YOU DOWN. ALL YOU BLITHERING LEFTIST IDIOTS NEED THAT SMACK. ... LIAR, DISGUSTING LYING SLANDERER CREEP. APPARENTLY THAT IS THE ONLY KIND OF LEFTIST THERE IS. I WON'T HOLD MY BREATH FOR ANYONE TO COME ALONG WHO KNOWS THE TRUTH. YUCK. YOU PEOPLE ARE VILE. ... ...YOU MISERABLE LEFTIST IDIOT. ... YOU...ARE THE LIARS WHO TWIST WORDS TO SUPPORT YOUR IDIOTIC CLAIMS...AND ALL THE REST OF YOU ARE ALSO LYING WRETCHES WHO HAVE NO INTEGRITY WHATEVER. WHAT A COLLECTION OF COCKROACHES EVC HAS ASSEMBLED. BLECH! ... YOU LEFTISTS JUST MAKE ANYTHING UP, DON'T YOU? NOT A SHRED OF INTEGRITY. IT FEELS GOOD TO SHOUT, YOU IDIOT, FAR BETTER THAN JUST TAKING THE CRAP QUIETLY. ... I HATE LEFTISTS WITH A PASSION, I HATE LYING ANTI-TRUMPERS WHO MAKE UP CRAP AND HAVEN'T AN IOTA OF INTEGRITY. YES I HATE HATE HATE ALL OF THAT,... ... YOU'VE JUST ADDED A NEW LAYER OF IDIOCY TO THE BASIC IDIOCY. ... God may punish me but I can't wait until He punishes the lying Leftists here which should be pretty dramatic. The sooner the better. ... It's really amazing how none of you can tell the truth about ANYTHING...stay stupid. ... Idiot. ... I hate Leftists with a passion but that means I hate what they think. I hate the whole gaggle of Leftists, not individuals in particular but the whole blighted thinking pattern that is Leftism. ... I'm hating LeftISM instead of LeftISTS,... Sorry for the length, once I got started it was hard to stop. After that last example from Message 1536 in this thread I began adding words to Faith's disallowed words list, and gradually over the next couple weeks Faith greatly lessened the space she devoted to criticizing her fellow participants and substantially increased the space devoted to the topic. It seems to be working. As I mentioned earlier, when you have to use regular expressions instead of plain words because someone is trying to avoid disallowed word filtering by writing, for example, "h-ate" instead of "hate", then the regular expressions can sometimes be overly inclusive. That can't be helped. I have never abandoned EvC's original goal of achieving constructive debate that through moderation stays focused on topic.
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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marc9000 writes: But for business owners in the North, decades after the war to refuse service to any black person, doesn't show me any less racism than anything Lee ever promoted, yet there is no call to get even with them or their descendants. Why target Lee, why now? To my mind, and I hope to many others, Lee was one of the great military men of America who had the misfortune to fight for slavery, and who likely committed what today would be considered atrocities against the black race. Like most of us, he was a man of his time and place. I'm conflicted about the statues erected to Lee in the early 20th century, which is most of them. Lee deserves the statues, but they were erected as a symbol of oppression of the black race. Which gets the higher priority, "Lee was a great general" or "These statues are racist symbols"? I have no simple answer. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'd calmed down after a movie break so you don't get credit for it. There also haven't been such egregious provocations from the Izquierdo [if necessary, ask Google to translate] for some time.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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GOP Rep. Rips Into Trump, Barr After ”Carefully’ Reading Mueller Report quote: Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
How nave. There are lots of Republican Trump-despisers, what makes you think this guy is anything other than that?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Lately they're all talking about things related to the Mueller report ... Are they talking about what the report actually says, or are they still repeating Barr's and Trump's lies of "No collusion!" and "complete exoneration" (though that last is Trump's lie even though Barr does not rush in to correct him)? Even you know better than that by now, having read the sections I quoted verbatim for you (and if you refused to read them, then you are being willfully stupid yet again -- willful stupidity is not an excuse for repeating bullshit lies). Are they also repeating McConnell's false proclamation of "case closed" and the false GOP claim that the House is trying to re-do Mueller's investigation? Of course that is false, because the House committees have their own investigations to do, ones that are not subject to the arbitrary limitations that Mueller was operating under. And are they falsely claiming that Trump's Administration doesn't have to respond to any congressional subpoenas? Certainly having Barr and hence the DOJ acting as accomplices to Trump's latest acts of obstruction makes it more difficult to enforce those subpoenas, but they will be enforced. Are they repeating Trump's lawyers' false claim that a request/subpoena for information must have a legislative purpose -- the Constitution empowers and requires Congress to conduct investigations, so what Trump and his lawyers are claiming is flat-out unconstitutional. It doesn't matter whether they mention something or not, but rather that they are lying to you about those things.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
How nave. There are lots of Republican Trump-despisers, what makes you think this guy is anything other than that? He arrived at his conclusions after having read the Mueller Report. In contrast, most of the Republicans who still support Trump have not read it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Funny, the conservatives say the Democrats haven't read it.
But again, I don't want to keep hashing this out here, I want to see what the new investigation comes up with.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Funny, the conservatives say the Democrats haven't read it. And yet, we're the only ones able to quote it extensively and demonstrate that we know what it says. All the conservatives can do is to quote Barr's misrepresentation. Here's how you can settle that question: quote Mueller's Report in support of your conservative claims. Come to think of it, that's what we have been requesting from you. For example:
Message 1945Tanypteryx writes: Faith writes:
Can you show us the quote from the report? The report said there was no collusion. Message 1946DWise1 writes: Faith writes:
Obviously, it does not such thing. If you want to support your claim, then quote where you believe that the Mueller Report does support your claim. Until you can do that, stop your damnable lying! The report said there was no collusion. And, so sadly ({voice=Trump ATTRIB=whiny}"very sadly!"{/voice}) predictably, you have completely failed to produce any hint of any quote to support your blatantly false claims. At the same time, we have provided easily produced extensive quotes to support our view of the report. Gee, why would that be?
... , I want to see what the new investigation comes up with. The count I hear is that 26 investigations are on-going, both on the federal and state (SDNY) level. I cannot wait to see how they turn out! It's been said that there will never be a federal building named after Trump. I think it possible that they'll put his name on the wing at the federal prison where he spends the rest of his miserable life for his many crimes. But if you are day-dreaming about Barr's "investigation into the investigation", that's just a red herring which will never go anywhere, but it will keep Trump's yahoos entertained while he continues to deflect and delay.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Because he wasn't a "Trump despiser" before thoroughly reading the report. He's the chairmen of the Liberty Caucus, almost as right-wing as the Freedom Caucus.
Interesting how actually reading the report convinced him. I don't know any Republican "Trump despisers". I do know some such as Susan Collins who criticize him mildly but never do anything about it. Can you name a half-dozen "Trump despisers"? ? Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
No defense of the lies I identified?
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