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CNN? You're kidding.

It is as clear as day.NYT report the day after the firing:

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Bowing to pressure from international donors, the Ukrainian Parliament voted on Tuesday to remove a prosecutor general who had clung to power for months despite visible signs of corruption.
PolitiFact | Donald Trump’s boasts about former Ukrainian prosecutor’s fairness ring false

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Excerpts from the same article:

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* "All decent people were in favor of Shokin's sacking," Anders slund, a resident fellow at the Atlantic Council told PolitiFact. "Biden led a Western/anticorruption consensus."

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* Steven Pifer is a career foreign service officer who was ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton and deputy assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian Affairs under President George W. Bush. Pifer told PolitiFact that "virtually everyone" he knew in the U.S. government and virtually all non-governmental experts on Ukraine "felt that Shokin was not doing his job and should be fired. As far as I can recall, they all concurred with the vice president telling Poroshenko that the U.S. government would not extend the $1 billion loan guarantee to Ukraine until Shokin was removed from office."

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* This view is reflected in a Sept. 2015 speech that then-U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, delivered in Odessa, Ukraine (emphasis ours):

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"There is one glaring problem that threatens all of the good work that regional leaders here in Odessa, in Kharkiv, in Lviv, and elsewhere are doing to improve the business climate and build a new model of government that serves the people," Pyatt said, later adding, "That obstacle is the failure of the institution of the Prosecutor General of Ukraine to successfully fight internal corruption. Rather than supporting Ukraine’s reforms and working to root out corruption, corrupt actors within the Prosecutor General’s office are making things worse by openly and aggressively undermining reform."
PolitiFact | Donald Trump’s boasts about former Ukrainian prosecutor’s fairness ring false

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It's a fact, Faith. It's not spin. The Western community of democracies was calling for Shokin to be fired.

You are only demonstrating that you refuse to look at anything that contradicts your beliefs.

Look i realize you're an idiot but how about making an attempt at proving that anything in the link I supplied is false.

No bare links. Quote your main points.

Sorry the NYT is not trustworthy either. I think it's Mark Levin who calls it the "Slimes" and wrote a whole chapter exposing it in his latest book, "Unfreedom of the Press." Can't trust anything it "reports" because it's just another of the long list of "news" sources these days that are not news sources but ideological propaganda. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

here is link to said letter: Portman, Durbin, Shaheen, and Senate Ukraine Caucus Reaffirm Commitment to Help Ukraine Take on Corruption | Senator Rob Portmanin summary: The removal of the prosecutor had bipartisan support link to the hearing: https://www.foreign.senate.gov/...e%20Russian%20Invasion.pdfthere's more but seeing as you're going to ignore these links that's all I'll do for now.

OK, thanks, I'll accept that.

Yup idiot

This whole Ukraine phone call thing is at the very least a misunderstanding on the part of the Democrats, which of course they maximize, though very likely in reality it is the usual intentional fake news.Trump was not referring to Biden at all in his asking for the "favor," that was about the ONGOING investigation into the interferences in the 2016 election which involved Ukraine and some Democrats on behalf of Clinton.So Percy in Message 3513 on the Trump Bashing Thread has it all wrong because he's just following the Democrat line, and so are others who keep insisting Trump was asking for "dirt on Biden." That was NOT the case at all. Biden didn't even come up until later. He was referring to the ONGOING investigation by Barr and others into the 2016 corruptions involving collusions between Clinton and the Democrats with Russians and Ukrainians.Mulvaney was not "admitting" that there was a quid pro quo at all, he also was talking about the ongoing investigation in terms of USUAL PROCEDURES when asking foreign countries to aid in such an effort. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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This whole Ukraine phone call thing is at the very least a misunderstanding on the part of the Democrats, which of course they maximize, though very likely in reality it is the usual intentional fake news.

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The devotion to lying among Trump’s followers is truly amazing.

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Trump was not referring to Biden at all in his asking for the "favor," that was about the ONGOING investigation into the interferences in the 2016 election which involved Ukraine and some Democrats on behalf of Clinton

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Trump asked for both. And made it plain that his personal lawyer was deeply involved. And indeed, the first is a crazy fishing expedition. Why is the President doing such a thing ? Why is he saying that it is very important (other than important to you, if you want this missiles?)These are personal favours asked for political advantage.

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So Percy in Message 3513 on the Trump Bashing Thread has it all wrong because he's just following the Democrat line, and so are others who keep insisting Trump was asking for "dirt on Biden." That was NOT the case at all. Biden didn't even come up until later. He was referring to the ONGOING investigation by Barr and others into the 2016 corruptions involving collusions between Clinton and the Democrats with Russians and Ukrainians.

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By later you mean Trump’s next paragraph of speech. So, not much later at all. And what ongoing investigation? Why is Giuliani involved? And why is this so urgent it has to go through the President? That’s not at all ordinary, especially for a mere rumour that is almost certainly false.

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Mulvaney was not "admitting" that there was a quid pro quo at all, he also was talking about the ongoing investigation in terms of USUAL PROCEDURES when asking foreign countries to aid in such an effort.

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No sane person could believe that. It is not at all normal for the President to directly ask for assistance in an investigation. Especially not as a favour. Even less so with the implied threat of withholding military aid. And certainly not for the President’s personal lawyer to be involved.

I've heard this mentioned a lot lately about Trump rallies in general, but then a guest host on "Red Eye Radio" tonight got into detail about how energetic and electrifying the Dallas rally was earlier tonight, which he got to attend. You always hear that the arena is packed and overflowing and this was the case in Dallas too. It holds 21,000 and Chris Krok the radio host estaimated another nine or ten thousand were outside watching on the big screen, bringing the total to around 30,000. People started standing in line before dawn. Sounds like a rock concert. He also said what we usually hear, how happy the crowd is, all in an upbeat cheery mood, and how there is a huge diversity of races and ages in the crowd. How they love Trump and really have a good time at the rally.People who try to analyze how he has this effect often say things like how he really likes people and they feel it, how he knows how to relate to them, how much he appreciates their support and treats his successes as their successes, How natural and genuine he is, how humble he is though he's so often called arrogant by his opponents, and above all how much they love his policies, feel he really loves America and really wants to help them all.The people who like Trump certainly see him as about as different as you can get from the descriptions we hear all the time from the liberals, such as here at EvC. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Interesting.

I've no doubt that the crowds do indeed see Trump the way you do. After all, why else would they attend ?Sadly though, history has taught us that large cheering crowds at rallies are not necessarily a sign that the showman on the stage will be remembered for all of the good and joy he brought to the world.

"...see Trump the way [*I*] do? I don't recall ever saying I have such a view of Trump. I'm hardly aware of him as a personality.Of course such crowds don't tell us how successful he will be as a President but the terms in which he is described certainly depict a likable man who cares, far from a Hitler type if that's what you are implying, just a good guy with flaws like all of us who wants to do good for the country.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.