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Percy
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Message 4441 of 5796 (870657)
01-23-2020 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 4376 by Faith
01-21-2020 9:38 AM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Faith replying to JonF writes:
How did she determine that? How do YOU determine anything at all about Iranians? How do YOU have the gall to decide that Trump acted at the wrong time. Who do you think you are?
In other words, you have no idea of the source of her information, which could just be a few friends or even made up. Seriously, what do you think her special in is that told her the sentiments of most of the 83 million Iranians.
-Percy

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Percy
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Message 4442 of 5796 (870658)
01-23-2020 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 4379 by Faith
01-21-2020 10:06 AM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
Faith writes:
Why should I care if they were "Republican" rules? But whatever rules there were the whole thing was a sham that denied the defendant any normal rights and freedoms, any normal due process, anything remotely based on our American principles. Your quote about what is required in criminal prosecutions is a good description of exactly what was denied Trump. And sorry, the belated and rigged invitation to send his lawyers is laughable. Sorry.
Bald declarations with no basis in fact. You're following the Trump script of repeating untruths many times.
--Percy

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Faith 
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Message 4443 of 5796 (870661)
01-23-2020 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 4441 by Percy
01-23-2020 1:22 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
In other words, you have no idea of the source of her information, which could just be a few friends or even made up. Seriously, what do you think her special in is that told her the sentiments of most of the 83 million Iranians.
She describes herself as an "Iran watcher" and a watcher of the Middle East in general, which suggests she does a lot of reading and following of whatever information is available from that part of the world. When she says the "majority " of Iranians celebrate the death of Soleimani I would attribute credibility to her because I believe her to be well informed about such things. She could be wrong nevertheless, but I'd trust her observations over our propaganda-driven ideology-driven media.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 4444 of 5796 (870662)
01-23-2020 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 4443 by Faith
01-23-2020 1:41 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
There's no reason to believe she's well-informed about what the majority of Iranians think. There's very good reasons to believe she isn't.
Except, of course, you like what she says. To you that's irrefutable proof.
What other media do or don't do is irrelevant.
How could she possibly know? "Whatever information is available from that part of the world" does not include "the majority of Iranians celebrate the death of Soleimani".
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Message 4445 of 5796 (870663)
01-23-2020 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 4444 by JonF
01-23-2020 1:55 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
As I said, she could be wrong but I'm figuring she has lots of friends in Iran who keep her informed. If she's wrong she's wrong. That does not change the scenario. We still needed to take out Soliemani. It was still the right thing to do and we should thank Trump for doing it. I'm very sure his action was well informed too, and well planned. He was following the information of his military advisors. It was a beautifullyh direct hit on a single car that killed the man. This was no impulsive action.
AbE: For those who haven't been following the discussion, the videos of the Iranian American woman we are talking about aren in Message 4323 and the post after that one.
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Percy
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Message 4446 of 5796 (870664)
01-23-2020 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 4388 by Faith
01-21-2020 3:13 PM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
Faith writes:
Maybe that's because I'm bad at getting across the conservative point of view...
You're not communicating the conservative point of view. You're communicating the Trumpist point of view, and doing a very good job of it.
What you're really bad at is providing any reasons for thinking what you say has any basis in reality. Most of what you say is dead wrong, and you repeat the same dead wrong stuff a lot.
...but whatever the reason the Leftist line gets tiresome...
No one's giving you the "leftist line." They're giving you facts that you usually choose to dismiss or ignore.
...and I end up just hoping the conservatives in the Senate can make the case that needs to be made.
You mean the Trumpists in the Senate. There's probably a few true conservatives left, can't think of any off-hand.
Your forlornly expressed hope that the Trumpists can make a successful case is needless. The Trumpists don't have to make any case at all. They could juggle chicken drumsticks for their 24 hours of presentation (begins Saturday at 1 PM) and it wouldn't matter. The Trumpists have already made up their minds and have the votes. There is no chance that Trump will be convicted and removed from office.
The House proceedings were a major sham that violated the Constitution and normal American principles of justice which are focused on the rights of the defendant; and Trump was right to stay out of it when they finally deigned to give his lawyers a few minutes to defend him.
Still following the Trump script of repeating lies over and over, I see.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 4447 of 5796 (870665)
01-23-2020 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 4390 by Faith
01-21-2020 7:12 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Faith writes:
Interesting. You skipped right over the posts of Erica Kasraie (Message 4323 and the next one). Perhaps it's silly of me to care what you'd have to say about her video anyway considering how consistent your view remains.
What's truly interesting is that you say nothing about why you're investing what she says with any credibility.
--Percy

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JonF
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Message 4448 of 5796 (870666)
01-23-2020 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 4445 by Faith
01-23-2020 2:03 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Yeah, she probably has lots of friends in Iran who keep her informed. They almost certainly are mostly well-educated upper or middle-class and not manual laborers.
I bet she has fewer than 10,000 of such friends. 10,000 is 0.012% of a severely non-random sample of the Iranian population.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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Message 4449 of 5796 (870667)
01-23-2020 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 4446 by Percy
01-23-2020 2:05 PM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
As Sean Hannity often says, and he's known Trump personally for years, he knew Trump "would govern conservatively" and says he has done so. Seems to me this is certainly true. Many conservative issues have certainly been fulfilled by him so far. He's been remarkably determined and consistent at enacting exactly what he promised he would do.
It's the Democrats who are the violators of the Constitution and law. They have completely restructured the impeachment clause in the image of their own ideology and gone a great distance toward actually dismantlinbg the constitution and the whole fabric of American government. It gives me stomach pains to listen to them go on and onwith their invented tmpty charges against Trump. It is the saddest thing I've ever seen and I'm just one of millions who feel this way. I think Mark Levinn has done the clearest job of laying this out.
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JonF
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Message 4450 of 5796 (870668)
01-23-2020 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 4445 by Faith
01-23-2020 2:03 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Since there was no imminent threat, why assassinate him now?

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JonF
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Message 4451 of 5796 (870670)
01-23-2020 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 4449 by Faith
01-23-2020 2:12 PM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
It's the Democrats who are the violators of the Constitution and law. They have completely restructured the impeachment clause in the image of their own ideology
Exactly how.? Details, please.
and gone a great distance toward actually dismantlinbg the constitution and the whole
fabric of American government.
Exactly how.? Details, please.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 4452 of 5796 (870671)
01-23-2020 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 4450 by JonF
01-23-2020 2:13 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Why NOT assassinate him now? I really don't get the question. Better late than never I'd say. And I'm sure there was good intelligence on the timing. There is strong reason to believe he was in Baghdad for another murder operation. That's what I've heard from many sources. Why should our intelligence information be made public?

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JonF
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Message 4453 of 5796 (870672)
01-23-2020 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 4452 by Faith
01-23-2020 2:15 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Trump authorized the assassination seven months ago. Previous Presidents considered assassinating him and passed.
Why now. Why not shortly after Trump authorized it?

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PaulK
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Message 4454 of 5796 (870673)
01-23-2020 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 4452 by Faith
01-23-2020 2:15 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
It’s interesting that in one post you accuse the Democrats of violating the law and in the next your first sentence asks why Trump should bother following the law.
You should try actually understanding what you’re talking about. But I guess that would make you a Marxist.

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Faith 
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Message 4455 of 5796 (870674)
01-23-2020 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 4451 by JonF
01-23-2020 2:15 PM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
By falsely representing everything concerning Trump for starters and treating the luies as valid charges. They have no actually impeachable charges, they made them up and are pretending they have some kind of legal standing which they do not. The impeachment clause is very very clear: Bribery and treason, high crimes and misdemeanors, on a level that threatens the American government. The charges they've brought are hot air, and totally unrelated to the Constitutional standard required. Denying due process to the defendant was an egregious miscarriage of American principles, and rationalizing that as unnecessary because not specified in so many words is just a weaselly underminind of all principles of fairness and justice America has always defined itself by. This whole proceeding is a disgustinhg fraud, a horrific parody at best, a violation of everything America has always represented. I'm so sorry there are people who do not see this but accept this travesty as something legitimate. This going from accusation to accusation over three years is a pathetic piece of evidence of the emptiness of the whole endeavor. The make a big noise about this or that supposed criminal activity by Trump and then of course ehwn it turns out to be false they don't acknolwledge it they just go on and make up another criminal activity. how you all here can take this charade seriously I really cannot fathom. Talk about the Twilight Zone. Adam Schiff and the whole House team are just making it up as they go. Why on earth do you treat such stuff with any dignity whatever? I can't fathom why anyone does. It's a blot on the Constitution, a blot on the institutions of America.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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