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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: One positive development is that Iran is giving external indications that they'll be more restrained in their terrorism efforts going forward, but if true it's temporary. Before the end of the year they'll be right back at it. Not with Trump in the White House they won't,... This is pure braggadocio.
...or if they continue in secret we'll know about it and be prepared to undo their efforts. It's a very safe bet that Iran tries to keep secret all their state sponsored terrorism and sponsorship of terrorism by proxy states. That's why we have intelligence services, to penetrate the veil of secrecy surrounding things like terrorist activities.
They only get away with that stuff when we have a weak appeaser like Obama in the White House. You Trumpists sure gotta have your bogeymen. Why don't you throw in a Hillary reference for good measure?
But they know Trump is ready and willing to knock out their means of terrorism. Depends whether he's feeling cranky that day.
Which of course our intelligence people are keeping their eyes on and keep Trump informed about. So our intelligence services can be trusted when they tell us about Iran-sponsored terrorism, but not about Russian election interference.
Trump does not want to have to do any such thing... No one knows what Trump wants or will do, including you. He's rash and impulsive. Why are you making up this list of very specific things about Trump that you couldn't possibly know?
...so the hope is that they will not continue on their track to improving their means of aggression,... Seriously? The main effect of Trump's withdrawal from the Iran nuclear accord is an Iraq moving closer to having the bomb. They just recently announced they're amping up their nuclear program, see The Killing of Soleimani and Iran’s Nuclear Program:
quote: And of course assassinating Soleimani only made things worse, see Iran nuclear deal gets another stake through the heart - CNN:
quote: ...but if they do Trump will be prepared to discourage them from it again. Sure he will, dear. Just like he's reining in the Iranian nuclear effort. --Percy
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Alexander Hamilton begs to disagree with you on the impeachment clause.
quote: Clinton was charged with obstruction of justice, so there's precedent for that. There has been no denial of due process. Proven over and over again in this thread. The rest of your message is incoherent ranting with no attempt to present evidence. I note you didn't even try to defend your second and most serious accusation. Edited by Admin, : Fix quote.
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: That all sounds fishy... Most of what you say sounds fishy.
...but I'm going to have to see what the conservative sites have to say. This would be the same Trumpist sites that have been lying to you all along? Would this report from Fox News saying the same thing as the Washington Post help: More US troops flown out of Iraq after Iran missile attack, officials say | Fox News
For a while the idea was that there was a warning of the attack that allowed those on the bases to take cover in tunnels. There was some claim that the Iranians had not really aimed to cause harm because they knew the retaliation would be ferocious, and then we started hearing about this advance warning as the reason nobody was hurt. I've read much the same thing. That doesn't change the fact that Trump keeps changing his story.
Your report only mentions a few men injured anyway,... Wrong again. Both the Washington Post (which I quoted) and Fox News say that officials declined to say how many additional men were transported to Germany for injuries received during the Iranian ballistic missile attack.
...not killed,... In the age of Trump there's no way to know that for sure. He corrupts everyone.
...so the main information that thousands were not harmed seems to be true. Have no idea what you're talking about. Stop listening to your Trumpist sites, they'll only confuse you and provide you false information. However, it is also true that millions and billions were not harmed. Funny about that.
If anyone had been killed Trump would have retaliated and that doesn't seem to have happened. Made up. You have no inside information of what Trump would and wouldn't do. He's unpredictable, impulsive. He doesn't follow any defined policy or philosophy. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Faith writes: Terrorism is endemic to Islamicism... I think we've found the hater in our midst. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: The jihadi commands are in the books of Islam,... And the stoning commands and such are in the books of the Bible. "But," you will say, "Jesus ended all that." And analogous to Christians with the Bible, Muslims have their own way of deciding not to follow the inappropriate parts of the Quran.
...but that does not mean all Muslims are even aware of them or would obey them if they were. Close enough. Just as most Christians don't follow all the Bible, and most Jews don't follow all the OT, most Muslims don't follow all the Quran.
But the commands are there and sometimes you get Muslims of a strict mindset who feel they must obey to be good Muslims. The Ayatollah Khomeini preached clearly that it's only cowardice and disobedience that keep Muslims from following these clear commands of Allah in the Islamic literature, and of course we know he determined to obey them himself, which is how the Iranian Islamic State was formed in the first place. Sometimes "liberal" Muslims who ignore that part of their religion get captivated by it and become terrorists. Because the commands are there to be obeyed if anyone decides to do that. Same for the commands in the Bible. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: The 52 represents the number of hostages taken in 1979. Yes, we know. It doesn't have anything to do with strategy or tactics or target assessment. It's just symbolism that appealed to Trump. It's the same sort of symbolism that drove Germany to demand that the French WWII surrender to Germany take place in the same railway car and at the same location as Germany's WWI surrender to France (Compigne Wagon). --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes it's symbolism and why not? They are targets to be hit should Americans be murdered. Solid real targets. I don't see anything in it to compare with your example from Hitler. Except of course your alignment with the leftist hatred of Trump that loves to identify him with Hitler, while in reality it is the Left that is in fact doing the fascist things they are accusing him of -- though he is a solid defender of American values and institutions, Constitutional rights and freedoms the Left seems to be throwing in the trash these days..
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
No. What you are calling commands in the Bible are not commands, they are historical information.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Tell the truth and be called a "hater." But of course, standard Leftist political correctness demands it. It's one of the things that makes them clearly fascists, tyrants, out to shut people up, no regard for rights and freedoms, all they do is connive to force their ideology on the rest of us, and character assassination of this sort is one of their means: oh don't you DARE ever mention what Islam is actually all about, don't you DARE say there is no such thing as many genders, there are only two, don't you DARE refuse to justify marriage for homosexuals etc etc etc. Cuz if you do any of these things we'll ostracize you, vandalize your home and businesses, and eventually probably even imprison you for it.
AbE This kind of namecalling is the true hatred, it's vicious and hurtful and intimidating. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There are thousands employed on the bases that were targeted by the Iranian missiles. They were able to take cover and were protected. Perhaps some didn't join them for some reason and were injured. No reason to assume such information is being covered up for some reason, why should there be? The main news, however, is that thousands that could have been killed were not because of advance warning.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Obstruction of justice is a real criminal charge. Obstruction of Congress is a made up nonentity.
There was total denial of due process in the House. They finally offered a token right to defense after they'd already made their impeachment decision. What a farce to claim there was no denial of due process. We all know there was. Why don't you? No idea what the rest of your post is about.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Trump authorized the assassination seven months ago. Previous Presidents considered assassinating him and passed. Why now. Why not shortly after Trump authorized it? How would I know? I assume there are good military or intelligence reasons for the time chosen.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Braggadocio no doubt but Trump is clearly ready and willing to apply military solutions IF NECESSARY, unlike some former appeasement minded Presidents.
The idea that Trump ever acts impulsively or rashly or from crankiness is just leftist propaganda. There is no evidence of it. When I check up on how he said something that is characterized in such language I find out it's fake news, he comes across as cool as a cucumber. No matter, the media always manage to find a way to write a headline that implies some such state of mind in Trump in their neverending vendetta.
So our intelligence services can be trusted when they tell us about Iran-sponsored terrorism, but not about Russian election interference. Our rank-and-file intelligence servicepeople are quite reliable and trustworthy. It was the leadership that lled about Russian collusion and tried to pin on Trump what Hillary had done. There's the Hillary reference you wanted. I trust Trump to deal with the nuclear problem too, by the best means and when the timing is right. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Obstruction of Congress is a made up nonentity
Are you ever going to figure out that all your claims about legality are horseshit? 18 U.S. Code § 1505 - Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
quote: There was total denial of due process in the House. They finally offered a token right to defense after they'd already made their impeachment decision. What a farce to claim there was no denial of due process. We all know there was. Why don't you?
Because I know due process was followed, and I proved it. The Sixth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America lays out when legal representation and confronting accusers is part of due process. I've posted it twice. Remember?
quote:The proceedings in the House were an investigation, not a prosecution. Impeachment and criminal are different. Due process was followed. The offered opportunity to defend was real and was turned down. Since you're so worked up about predetermination, what have you said about the sham trial in the Senate where they swore to "do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws:" after McConnell and Graham and others had publicly annound acquttal is guaranteed and they will not do impartial justice? I know. "laws for thee but not for me". Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
I assume there are good military or intelligence reasons for the time chosen
They should report those reasons to Congress. They didn't make any such claims in their report. They did claim "imminent threat", which has been thoroughly debunked. It was to distract from impeachment and illegally subvert Constitutional requirements.
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