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I'd bet you for sure but I won't be able to prove you wrong until He returns.

Now, wait a minute there. Creation Science arguments are not taught in any church I know of, and I don't ascribe my views along these lines to any particular church or even to Christianity in general. A good Bible church will teach that all of Genesis is literally true, but does not teach any particular brand of science.And about SDA, many Adventists appear to believe truly in Christ and are probably saved, but the church itself is a cult because it is founded on the aberrant teachings of Ellen White who is regarded as a prophet.

A literal reading of Genesis is not an aberrant teaching so that's not one of Ellen White's aberrant teachings.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It's never had to be written as a "right" to hold a "view" or a "belief," so your supporting that "right" isn't supporting anything. The right to refuse service for any reason, however, IS a right, one that you apparently don't support.From this thread I gather that there are no real rights anyone wants to grant to Christians or conservatives.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

So you have to allow us to refuse service on the grounds of conscience? Somehow I don't think you are saying that.Remember, I have not argued for refusing service on account of race, or refusing general service to anyone for that matter, only for refusing specific sorts of service that offend the conscience, such as services that support gay marriage.Are you supporting this right or not?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

In this case, of course. That's what we happen to be discussing. If you have a case for your own conscience along similar lines, refusing service on account of it, make your case.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Gee that sounds so reasonable in a twisted sort of way. Call it "discrimination" -- such as a person's conscience against gay marriage -- and you can vilify anyone or anything these days. You are in fact expressing a really weird bigotry of your own that never existed in America or on this planet until recent decades. If one had the luxury of musing on these things I'm sure it would be very interesting to trace the source of this bizarre attitude.So let me get this straight: Nobody is allowed to refuse to make a wedding cake or take wedding photos for a gay wedding ceremony.Got it. That's been thoroughly established on this thread. So now whenever somebody does refuse service on such grounds you can run them out of business, reduce them to begging on the streets, or whatever your little heart thinks such "discrimination" deserves.What would you suggest?ABE How about forcing them to watch the most obscene gay parade imaginable? You know, consciousness-raising, or re-education as the communists used to call it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Far as I know all I'm condoning is the right to conscientiously refuse to do anything that is felt to support gay marriage. No hatred of people is involved at all, except possibly from your side against mine. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Really you ought to leave it to the people involved to define what is a matter of conscience.ABE I agree that Christians should not do anything at all to condone any kind of sin whatever, but again, what a person feels to be a condoning act is not for you to define. /ABEEdited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You might read my posts on the subject of what in the OT applied only to the Israelites.

I see, now not only is a person denied freedom of conscience but even the freedom to start a business. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

No of course businesses have to be regulated. I'm talking about a matter of personal conscience which should not be regulated.

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There is no way you are going to get me to treat homosexuality as the equivalent of race.

There is no way you are going to get me to treat homosexuality as the equivalent of race or sex.