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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But we need to remember that the US has survived many such periods. And that there are still lots of US owned lands to create new reservations.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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Well, let's see if I got the steps of your mature counter-argument correct:
No, you haven't. Your argument, basically, is: X caused Y.Y is bad (perhaps even evil). Therefore X is evil. But the evidence that you present is all about Y being bad. You have not provided one scintilla of evidence that X caused Y. Yes, we get it that you have an irrational hatred of Clinton. But don't pretend that your anger is an argument. It isn't.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
And that there are still lots of US owned lands to create new Until the Bundys ride in and claim it for the Kochs. by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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I don't think the Kochs or Big Business will initially be happy with this outcome. Nor would President Trump seem to be the kind of person who would take kindly outside folk trying to occupy his property.
But... the Republican Party has an opportunity to place themselves as the Party in Control for generations if: they institute a single payer health care system they rape the Federal Lands to provide funding for Social Security they legalize and federalize currently illegal recreational drug they provide circus Edited by jar, : they has a y Edited by jar, : but the does not
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Genomicus Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 852 Joined:
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Taken together, most of my friends and the people closest to me are undocumented immigrants, LGBTQ, and people of color. So it's a particularly despondent day here.
Trump's ascendancy to the presidency and the Republican control of -- well, just about everything in D.C. -- means day-to-day liberties enjoyed under the Obama administration are now wholly threatened. If you're a PoC, LGBTQ, undocumented, Muslim, or a woman, last night's negative consequences are real -- and severe. The alt-right is now much more emboldened, so it makes it a scary time to actually walk the streets of a country where we're supposed to feel some level of safety. Blegh.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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That is not because of Bernie or third party supporters, it is because, like Gore, she failed to draw voters to the polls: more people did not vote than voted for third parties, AGAIN. Lesson not learned. I have to echo RAZD here. I mentioned this in an earlier post, but I still believe that Hillary not choosing Bernie as her VP pick was a huge mistake. She decided to try to think tactically (i.e. Virginia) rather than thinking pragmatically. In the same way Trump energized his constituency, Bernie had the same effect. But instead, she gave us Tim Kaine, a guy who looks like he just farted and is smirking at the odor he has produced. But the big takeaway here is the Democratic party grossly underestimating how disenfranchised people in the rust belt have been feeling for a long time now. They watched their net worth evaporate as jobs were shipped overseas. And to add insult to injury, many got devastated in the wake of the financial crisis. The Democrats were supposed to be the party of the middle class. But in the end, they just became a reflection of the Republicans by placating to the same Wall Street assholes that have caused the last few booms and busts we have seen. One little sidebar: if I was an incumbent politician in Germany or France, I would be shitting my pants right now. Between our election and Brexit, there is now a ground swell of populism sweeping through the world. Merkel is not doing well in Germany and the far right party in France is gaining ground. The results of Brexit and our election could be just the catalyst they need to sweep into victory.Marine Le Pen has already started to use this outcome to bolster her chances. Now everyone will say there is 'no chance' of her winning. Well, we said that about Brexit. We said that about Trump. Is anything not possible at this stage?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
NWR writes: But the evidence that you present is all about Y being bad. You have not provided one scintilla of evidence that X caused Y. For the third time . . .
Message 256, Message 76, and Message 257 Maybe debating on a forum isn't one of your strengths NWR. Have you ever thought of trying needlepoint crafts?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4
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RAZD writes: What it shows is her mind-set, her readiness to "solve" problems with war instead of political negotiations. Thanks RAZD. It greatly helps me to know that there are SOME Americans who think intelligently, morally and empathetically. There's surely gonna be some dark days ahead in Trump's presidency where I'll need a steadying voice. To me, you are kinda like the forum's answer to yesterday's Jimmy Stewart or today's Tom Hanks (reference to SNL). Please keep posting. Thanks,Drone
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
The title of the photo is "drone-strike-by-obama-children-killed.jpg"
There were no drones in 1982. However, if you are absolutely 100% sure, let me know. I think I can find a more suitable photo for you from the MILLION Iraqi deaths caused by Hillary.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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What you still have utterly failed to show is that Hillary caused any deaths.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Diomedes writes: But the big takeaway here is the Democratic party grossly underestimating how disenfranchised people in the rust belt have been feeling for a long time now. They watched their net worth evaporate as jobs were shipped overseas. And to add insult to injury, many got devastated in the wake of the financial crisis. Then why did those same people vote for a guy who sent jobs overseas? That's what many of us are shaking our heads at.
One little sidebar: if I was an incumbent politician in Germany or France, I would be shitting my pants right now. Between our election and Brexit, there is now a ground swell of populism sweeping through the world. Merkel is not doing well in Germany and the far right party in France is gaining ground. The results of Brexit and our election could be just the catalyst they need to sweep into victory. Marine Le Pen has already started to use this outcome to bolster her chances. Now everyone will say there is 'no chance' of her winning. Well, we said that about Brexit. We said that about Trump. Is anything not possible at this stage? Nativist inclinations exist in Europe just like they exist in the US. I think you are right.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1533 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined:
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Well we now have a Republican president and congress.
I hope they can figure out how to govern because the ball in now in their court. Obviously the Democratic pundits miscalculated how pissed off the average white blue collar American worker is the seemed to have made it to the voting booth in record numbers. They would of elected a monkey other than any established politician I think."You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
vim writes: (cue another condescending list of statements and photos from dronestar , coupled with an accusation that I am understating the position and not as left wing as him and therefore a monster) I may be hateful and ugly, but, . . . ahh, . . . err, . . . what was the third thing you wrote about me? Seriously Vim, I neither wanted Hillary nor Trump. They are neither qualified to be presidents nor human beings. Like RAZD stated, this morning I feel as bad as I did when I woke up after hearing Bush Jr won the second election. I'm sorry world, we amerikans did bad. Real bad.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Jar writes: What you still have utterly failed to show is that Hillary caused any deaths. Right, Hitler didn't cause any deaths either.
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