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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Yeah, like Faith I confused Rand with Ron. If anything the story actually advocates for abortions to be legal. When things are illegal there are no rules and standards. We already learned this lesson with prohibition and the war on drugs. With legality comes the light of day and the ability to regulate. We all do better when abortions are not performed in back alleys.
The idea that an illegal abortion was performed in a hospital is quite unbelievable. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Christian films don't usually have the money for any kind of promotion. No, there's tons of money in Christian movies. Again from Why Christian Movies are BAD | The Problem with Christian Media - Part 2 where Josh Keefe points out that the reason why these movies are so bad is not for lack of money:
Face it, they've got a large built-in audience flocking to the theaters eager to be fleeced. And there's a lot of money in that fleece. BTW, Josh Keefe was raised Christian and probably still is one. He was raised on these movies. "God is Not Dead" inspired him to go out and confront all atheists, through which he learned the hard way that that Christian propaganda film had lied to him. In another video (The Problem With Christian Movies: God's Not Dead), he discusses how these films are just sermons devoid of storytelling -- basically, they're to actual film as Chick Pubs tracts are to actual literature. After discussing the failings of "God is Not Dead" at length, including how it not only fails to reach non-Christians but even alienates them with bad depictions of Christians, he contrasts it (at 18 minutes) with a Christian movie, Believe Me, which does succeed at storytelling and become that extremely rare critter, a good movie made by a Christian. Not only that, but for once it's a Christian movie that for once makes Christianity look like it could be something good, thus welcoming outsiders instead of alienating them. Edited by dwise1, : added to last paragraph
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
BTW. What the flying frick does this have to do with my post? I wasn't discussing Unplanned or abortion or any of that crap. But a troller has to troll. The only reason I responded was because I thought this was a response to the subject of a post. It was not. It was just more trolling by Faith. Another liar for christ.
If you cannot address the actual post how about you not respond to posts. Doesn't that sound like a good and polite idea? What do you know about polite you are a fundie troll. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Faith writes:
And again, it is really remarkable how ONLY the stories YOU believe are the true ones. YOU are of course NEVER "uninformed."
Darn it!! There goes another irony meter.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Gosh I must be the most gullible person here since nobody else here would ever have had such an experience and of course Ron Paul must be a horrific liar. There is simply no other explanation. Beginning to understand ... wonderful to see.
Gosh I must be the most gullible person here ... It's called Cognitive bias:
quote: Particularly:
quote: More at (wiki) Cognitive bias.
... and of course Ron Paul must be a horrific liar. ... You nailed it. Surprising to me, seeing as Trump supporters seem horridly incapable of identifying horrific liars. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : table, added classes of biasby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So there's nothing to be surprised about here is there? Nobody has any interest in the movie or any of the facts about abortion, all we're getting is whatever you all want to think, already think, have already thought for years. It's just amazing that so many supposedly intelligent people can't come up with anything better.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Faith writes: It's just amazing that so many supposedly intelligent people can't come up with anything better. We did come up with something better. If you don't want to have an abortion, then don't, and keep your nose out of other people's business. That's not good enough for the assholes of the world who want to force their values on everyone else.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Nobody has any interest in the movie or any of the facts about abortion, Au contraire! I keep asking what the Bible does actually say about abortion and you keep ducking that question. That's rather telling of you. As for the movie, there's nothing to suggest that it isn't just yet another "true Christian" culture-wars propaganda hack job. We've seem too many of those already. Nothing to see there.
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Theodoric writes: I rarely see movies anymore. I just cannot stand the idiocy. I have a 9 year old and 12 year old so I do see kids movies. Kids movies seem to be where the quality is. Coco and Ferdinand were excellent. I also thought Zootopia, Sing and The Secret Life of Pets were excellent. Almost completely agree on all these movies except I haven't seen Ferdinand. You might also enjoy Home and Moana. I also liked Madagascar, Ice Age I, Finding Nemo and Finding Dory. You can add The Imitation Game (Alan Turing) to any list of highly inaccurate historical movies. It was a nice movie, I liked it, but I've read a couple Turing biographies (The Enigma Machine was best) and it was highly romanticized, technically way oversimplified to the point of wrong (although to be fair some technical parts were spot on, and I think they had to oversimplify or they would have left 99% of their audience behind), some parts were out of order, and it somehow manages to tell very little of the story. --Percy
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
That's your problem. You only listen to the commentaries, never the source. From seeing so many interviews and documentaries on the making of it. If Trump says something stupid, on video, the commentators claim he didn't say it and you believe them; you don't even want to see the video for yourself. If a Bible commentator contradicts what the Bible plainly says, you believe him; you don't want to read the Bible for yourself. And if some commentator says something about a movie, you believe it without ever seeing the movie for yourself. It's no surprise that you're always wrong about everything.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Right back atcha. Funny how you all prefer made-up propaganda to seeing the film.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
We did come up with something better. If you don't want to have an abortion, then don't, and keep your nose out of other people's business.That's not good enough for the assholes of the world who want to force their values on everyone else. Well that's just the same old same old as I said, nothing new at all. However, if you'd bothered to pay even the slightest attention you might have seen that this is clearly not what anyone is doing. The movie aims to bring to light some facts about abortion that are denied by Planned Parenthood and many others these days, and bringing facts to light leaves it to the audience to decide. Kind of like how Wilberforce kept bringing to light in Parliament the evils of the slave trade in his day until after forty years others started agreeing with him. Nobody has to agree with anything the movie shows, nobody is being forced to do anything, so it's interesting that you just don't want to see what facts are brought to light in this film. As for forcing values on people isn't that what our laws do, laws against murder for instance, laws against doing harm to others, laws against assault and battery and rape and so on? Yet nobody is even proposing a law in this case, just bringing some facts to light you may have failed to take into account in your judgment of these things. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
The woman who wrote the book the movie is based on is a confirmed liar. One of the reasons she left Planned Parenthood told lies about them is because the local forced birther yahoo told her that she could make thousands of dollars in speaking gigs. She has figured out how to fleece the rubes. She is a liar and a grifter.
The movie aims to bring to light some facts about abortion that are denied by Planned Parenthood and many others these days
They are not bringing to light facts. They are telling lies and misinforming to push along a radical agenda of forced birth and making contraception illegal. They want everyone to follow their version of one religion.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That kind of personal attack on the woman really requires some evidence. It makes sense of course because by opposing abortion she makes herself a target of the Left which has no compunction about destroying anyone who disagrees with them. I've listened to some of her speeches and I have no reason to think she's anything but truthful.
I look forward to your evidence. Oh and you attack the film too of course, its makers and actors and other supporters who believe it shows the truth that is normally suppressed and has no agenda except saving babies and giving support to pregnant women. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ooh-child Member (Idle past 374 days) Posts: 242 Joined:
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Nobody has any interest in the movie or any of the facts about abortion We have the facts. This article from Slate has the answers for you, if you're interested. The whole thing is a good read, but this is the most relevant part for you:
Debate moderator: Do you think abortion should be legal up until the moment of birth? Politician: First of all, no one is performing abortions up until the moment of birth. There is no such medical procedure”it’s a fiction dreamed up by right-wing extremists who want to take control of women’s bodies. If a healthy woman with a healthy, full-term pregnancy asks a doctor to terminate that pregnancy”which, by the way, there is no evidence to suggest any woman is doing”the doctor would simply refuse. In reality, less than 1 percent of abortions take place in the third trimester. Opponents of legal abortion would have you believe that these patients are hopelessly fickle women who simply change their minds about giving birth after eight months of pregnancy. That’s not only untrue”it’s offensive. These are women who are forced to make unimaginably painful decisions. They are women with preeclampsia, who are risking severe injury or death if they continue with what is in many cases a deeply wanted pregnancy. They are parents who discover in the third trimester that their fetus has grown its organs on the outside of its body or failed to develop a brain. Usually, if the fetus can survive outside the womb but a pregnancy will put the woman’s health is at risk, doctors will strive for a safe delivery, not abortion. But the choices women must make for their bodies, their families, and their health are complicated enough, and hard enough, without the cruel judgment and interference of politicians”mostly men”who have no knowledge of the personal and medical concerns that govern these patients’ lives. There can be no one-size-fits-all answer when it comes to pregnancy and maternal health. That’s why, as elected leaders, we should be fighting to increase access to quality health care, not trying to take it away”especially not by writing legislation based on imaginary scenarios that ignore the women’s lives that hang in the balance. Abortion care is essential health care, and the ability to choose whether and when to have children is an essential human right. How pro-choice politicians should answer questions about third-trimester abortions.
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