I Know That God Does Not Exist

Nobody is drawing conclusions contrary to the evidence. We're not talking about belief.

Because a lot of people like you and Faith are very sure about things that are wrong. You seriously don't know the difference between all ideas and one idea? A lot of them. Do some homework.

Point out the contradiction.Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

You said you'd "SEEN" butchery, and the way you talked about it suggested something personal, not wars.

The knots in your head are not my responsibility.

I exonerate you from all responsibility for the knots in my head; I take care of my own knots.But the knots in your argument ARE your responsibility.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Arguments? What arguments?You asked for butchery, I gave you butchery. There is no argument unless you want to argue war is not butchery.

From your Message 1243: You still want to claim you're talking about wars you've never personally seen? You really want me to accept that as what you meant? Really?Hint: I woule have supposed you were perhaps talking about circumcision or perhaps Female Genital Mutilation. Those you might have seen personally. As for butchery of the spirit, I might have supposes you meant any kind of belief in God. Perhaps.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes. Exactly. Why do you insist otherwise?I have studied history for many decades and, yes, I have seen your religious brutality and I have seen its effects on humans and on societies not just of today but throughout all of human history.I did not become an anti-theist in a vacuum. I studied. I saw.

I did, in message 1762.

Sigh.I've shown the thunderbolt-throwing pagan deity is irrational.I've shown the monotheistic omnipotent, omniscient deity is irrational.It's all superstition, pathetic will-to-believe. Even the believers concede that they believe through faith and not reason.Are you planning to make any argument disputing me? Or are you just going to keep making "fill-in-the-blanks" whines?

I'm curious. What are you concluding? That this deity stuff isn't irrational? If so, why don't you present an argument for your position?

I haven't said I've proven no deities exist. They may.But there's nothing to indicate that they do.The fact that some people believe in them by faith is a perfect proof that there is no reason to believe they exist, considering the vast differences of "religious experiences" throughout the world and throughout history.

Think of it this way: good people will generally do good things, while bad people will often do bad things, but the way to persuade good people to do really heinous crimes is through religious faith.

Because it sounded like you were talking about personal experience, not historical events. You can't be talking about *MY* religion because historically those I identify with have been the victims of the brutality of other religions, and still are, all across the world. So I have to wonder just what historical readings you are talking about.And again, that original post doesn't sound at all like you are talking about history, but rather about personal experience: Will you agree with that much?AND if you really want to insist this is about history how about sketching out what you think each of those wars was about, who started it and why and so on. Just a line or two is all I'm asking for.