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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
Nobody is drawing conclusions contrary to the evidence.
I bring up evidence because drawing conclusions contrary to the evidence is irrational. Sarah Bellum writes:
We're not talking about belief. I bring up falsifiability because believing in things that are not falsifiable is irrational."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
Because a lot of people like you and Faith are very sure about things that are wrong.
You say you're "not sure"? Care to explain why you're not sure? Sarah Bellum writes:
You seriously don't know the difference between all ideas and one idea?
You want me to show that "all ideas about" a deity are irrational. But I've already shown that the pagan thunderbolt-throwing, thread-of-life-snipping, chariot-of-the-sun-driving ideas of god are irrational. Sarah Bellum writes:
A lot of them. Do some homework. What idea of god is left?"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
Point out the contradiction. You contradict yourself. Edited by ringo, : No reason given."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You said you'd "SEEN" butchery, and the way you talked about it suggested something personal, not wars.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
The knots in your head are not my responsibility.
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I exonerate you from all responsibility for the knots in my head; I take care of my own knots.
But the knots in your argument ARE your responsibility. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Arguments? What arguments?
You asked for butchery, I gave you butchery. There is no argument unless you want to argue war is not butchery.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
From your Message 1243:
Faith writes: You insist on your wrong understanding of religion. Oh, I understand religion quite well. Not only have I seen the result of religion's butchery of the human body and of the human spirit I have you and Dredge and Mike-takes-a-Wiz and so many others to remind me of its evil and stupidity. You still want to claim you're talking about wars you've never personally seen? You really want me to accept that as what you meant? Really? Hint: I woule have supposed you were perhaps talking about circumcision or perhaps Female Genital Mutilation. Those you might have seen personally. As for butchery of the spirit, I might have supposes you meant any kind of belief in God. Perhaps. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
You really want me to accept that as what you meant? Really? Yes. Exactly. Why do you insist otherwise? I have studied history for many decades and, yes, I have seen your religious brutality and I have seen its effects on humans and on societies not just of today but throughout all of human history. I did not become an anti-theist in a vacuum. I studied. I saw. Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 626 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
I did, in message 1762.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 626 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Sigh.
I've shown the thunderbolt-throwing pagan deity is irrational. I've shown the monotheistic omnipotent, omniscient deity is irrational. It's all superstition, pathetic will-to-believe. Even the believers concede that they believe through faith and not reason. Are you planning to make any argument disputing me? Or are you just going to keep making "fill-in-the-blanks" whines?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 626 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
I'm curious. What are you concluding? That this deity stuff isn't irrational? If so, why don't you present an argument for your position?
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 626 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
I haven't said I've proven no deities exist. They may.
But there's nothing to indicate that they do. The fact that some people believe in them by faith is a perfect proof that there is no reason to believe they exist, considering the vast differences of "religious experiences" throughout the world and throughout history.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 626 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Think of it this way: good people will generally do good things, while bad people will often do bad things, but the way to persuade good people to do really heinous crimes is through religious faith.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You really want me to accept that as what you meant? Really? Yes. Exactly. Why do you insist otherwise? Because it sounded like you were talking about personal experience, not historical events.
I have studied history for many decades and, yes, I have seen your religious brutality and I have seen its effects on humans and on societies not just of today but throughout all of human history. You can't be talking about *MY* religion because historically those I identify with have been the victims of the brutality of other religions, and still are, all across the world. So I have to wonder just what historical readings you are talking about. And again, that original post doesn't sound at all like you are talking about history, but rather about personal experience: Will you agree with that much? AND if you really want to insist this is about history how about sketching out what you think each of those wars was about, who started it and why and so on. Just a line or two is all I'm asking for.
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