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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
I've asked you to show that the idea of God is inherently irrational and (I think) you've admitted that it is not. So the whole "no link to reality" thing is irrelevant. If you refuse to share (as you've done for over 2000 messages now...)....Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
ringo writes: I've asked you to show that the idea of God is inherently irrational and (I think) you've admitted that it is not. So the whole "no link to reality" thing is irrelevant. How so? There are an infinite number of imagination-only ideas that are not inherently irrational - and they have no link to reality so therefore do not exist.Like Santa Claus. And Luminiferous Ether. And winged horses, and unicorn winged horses, and 2-horned winged horses, and 3-horned winged horses, and 4-horned winged horses... do not exist. God is in the exact same position.All inherently rational (the idea can exist as imagination and is not self-contradictory like a square-circle) Nothing but imagination and ideas. No link to reality. I know Santa Claus does not exist.I know Luminiferous Ether does not exist. I know winged horses, and unicorn winged horses, and 2-horned winged horses, and 3-horned winged horses, and 4-horned winged horses... do not exist. I know God does not exist. When there's no link to reality from the imagination, the idea can be ignored as "unreasonable to consider" - just like the idea that we'll find out behind Dark Matter that ringo can't bake cakes and never could. Not inherently irrational. Just no link to reality. If you think it's irrelevant - you're back to not being able to know that ringo can bake cakes.If you accept that it's relevant - the objective argument shows that "I know God does not exist" is a valid statement. Unless you'd like to describe the "rational link to reality" for God that no one else knows about? All for all the same reasons.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
We did not pretend to "know" the luminiferous ether did not exist until the search for it reached a definitive conclusion. There are an infinite number of imagination-only ideas that are not inherently irrational - and they have no link to reality so therefore do not exist.Like Santa Claus. And Luminiferous Ether. Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I have no idea what this means or how it relates.
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
ringo writes: We did not pretend to "know" the luminiferous ether did not exist until the search for it reached a definitive conclusion. Just like God!A definitive conlcusion 'based on our available information' - because no knowledge is based on information we don't have. I assume you would agree that there's only unreasonable doubt that we might find luminiferous ether behind Dark Matter?Just like God! Thanks for agreeing with my method and conclusion. Edited by Stile, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
We did not pretend to "know" the luminiferous ether did not exist until the search for it reached a definitive conclusion. Has it reached a definitive conclusion? Have you look in the dark matter and in the northwest passage?Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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AlexCaledin Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 64 From: Samara, Russia Joined: |
Let's be honest. The Atheist worldview is plagued by doubts and futile ambitions and has the great God-shaped hole at the very base of science, namely the Quantum Choice problem. The Theistic worldview is perfectly consistent and in full accordance with all the facts, particularly with personal religious life. The difference between religions works as the trap for human passions.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9517 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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That’s the stupidest thing I’ve heard this month. Bravo.
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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I don't know - Boris has been spouting a lot this month too.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9517 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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That's fair
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
No. Our available information is that there are places where we have not looked, so no definitive conclusion has been reached.
A definitive conlcusion 'based on our available information' - because no knowledge is based on information we don't have. Stile writes:
I have never disagreed with your methodology or your conclusion. I only disagree with your terminology. Claiming you know (not A) when you don't know A is incorrect. You're pretty sure about (not A). You don't know. Thanks for agreeing with my method and conclusion.Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
Michelson and Morley had a method for detecting the ether. So far, the search for God is at a stage before Michelson and Morley, so it's premature to make a conclusion that Michelson and Morley didn't make until after their experiments. ringo writes:
Has it reached a definitive conclusion? We did not pretend to "know" the luminiferous ether did not exist until the search for it reached a definitive conclusion.Maturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
So far, the search for God is at a stage before Michelson and Morley The search for God is at a stage many hundreds of millions of iterations and many thousands of years beyond Michelson-Morley.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
Name one experiment that has been done that is equivalent to Michelson-Morley. ringo writes:
The search for God is at a stage many hundreds of millions of iterations and many thousands of years beyond Michelson-Morley. So far, the search for God is at a stage before Michelson and MorleyMaturity, one discovers, has everything to do with the acceptance of ‘not knowing. -- Mark Z. Danielewski, House of Leaves
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
The search for gods has taken many forms over many millennia. In each and every instance nothing has ever been found.
You're an intelligent person, ringo. I'm pretty sure you made your own search for the gods. How did that turn out for you?Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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