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jar
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Message 3256 of 5796 (865714)
10-29-2019 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 3255 by Phat
10-29-2019 3:40 PM


Re: Fox News Gets the Facts Backward
Follow the money Phat.
il Donald was keeping two sets of books, one set to show the lenders and another set for the taxman.
He WILL get taken to court and convicted in every State where he has done business unless of course he does as he usually does and simply moves out to the jurisdiction.

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Message 3257 of 5796 (865716)
10-29-2019 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 3256 by jar
10-29-2019 4:09 PM


Trump
Do you really think he will get indicted and go quietly? I feel that this could be a historic impeachment.
Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.

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Message 3258 of 5796 (865718)
10-29-2019 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 3254 by Faith
10-29-2019 3:33 PM


Re: Fox News Gets the Facts Backward
Faith writes:
Taylor --and I think also Sondland though I'm not completely sure in his case -- are antiTrump liars.
"Liar, Liar, pants on fire" isn't going to work.
It's the Left that's hiding in their closed-door meeting,
Just like the police hide behind closed doors when they question witnesses. It's how investigations are done. All of the evidence will come out, don't worry. You will have much more to deny very soon.

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Message 3259 of 5796 (865719)
10-29-2019 5:00 PM
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10-29-2019 3:40 PM


Re: Fox News Gets the Facts Backward
Thugpreacha writes:
I will agree that it all should come out but have serious reservations as to whether it will change anyone's preconceived political beliefs
How many Republican senators would have kicked Hillary Clinton out of office for the same offense? There is no question Trump should be kicked out of office if the charges against him are backed with evidence. The real question is if Republicans are able to put country before party.

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Message 3260 of 5796 (865721)
10-29-2019 5:26 PM
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10-29-2019 4:36 PM


Re: Trump
Phat writes:
Do you really think he will get indicted and go quietly? I feel that this could be a historic impeachment.
It depends on the evidence made available. If it looks like the Senate will convict him then I expect he will first try a true coup and if that looks like it will fail he will head for a location without extradition. In that case all his know assets will be seized and he will get to find out if one of his buddies like Putin or Kim Jong-un will shelter him.

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Message 3261 of 5796 (865783)
10-30-2019 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 3215 by Faith
10-27-2019 5:55 PM


Re: Civil Debate
Faith writes:
There is no such hate on the right....
You've said yourself that you hate everybody here.

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Message 3262 of 5796 (865784)
10-30-2019 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 3215 by Faith
10-27-2019 5:55 PM


H8 radio is self selectively right wing to far [alt]right wing
... There is no such hate on the right, ...
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight ...
Hate radio is done out of love. /sarcasm
Michelle Obama called an ape
Obama effigy lynched
Targets drawn on Dem politicians
quote:
Hate on Social Media Against President Obama Soars
07/29/2012 03:00 pm ET Updated Sep 28, 2012
The legion of websites, bloggers, talk show jocks, and the occasional GOP official that has teed off on President Obama and at times Michelle Obama with assorted borderline racist digs, taunts, and depictions have been relentless. The offensive remarks quickly evoke a storm of outrage, and the offender gets rebuked. This happens because they are public figures, and their comments are publicly aired. They fly high on the public’s radar scope.
But that’s not the case with the growing barrage of racist assaults on Obama, and other minorities on social media sites. Baylor University researchers, for instance, recently tracked more than 20 Facebook page groups and users and found them jam-packed with racist venom aimed at Obama, blacks and other minorities. The growing number of groups that churn hate on social media sites are secure in the knowledge that they won’t be caught or called out on it.
The signal that Obama would trigger a titanic wave of race baiting and stereotyping danger in cyberspace came the moment that he announced he would seek the presidency in February 2007. He had the dubious distinction of being the earliest presidential contender to be assigned Secret Service protection on the campaign trail. As the showdown with Republican presidential rival John McCain heated up in the general election in 2008, the flood of crank, crackpot, and screwball threats that promised murder and mayhem toward Obama continued to pour in. This prompted the Secret Service to tighten security and take even more elaborate measures to ensure his safety. As president, the threats against Obama have been non-stop.
Those are FACTS.
I could go on, but you will ignore ... because you can't handle the truth.
An honest person would at least admit that some have done hateful things.
Enjoy
Edited by RAZD, : link

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Phat
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Message 3263 of 5796 (865797)
10-30-2019 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 3262 by RAZD
10-30-2019 4:19 PM


Re: H8 radio is self selectively right wing to far [alt]right wing
I judge character by the public impression, lifestyle behavior, and values that a person has.
Eulogy of Elijah Cummings
Note Hillary. She uses the whole "God" thing to continue her political ideology of Christian Nationalism. Thus, all politicians of either Right or Left Ideology could be said to use Christian Nationalism as a talking point. I sense more honesty from Obama and Clinton(Bill) than I do from Trump. Maybe I am biased, I dunno.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.
? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

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Message 3264 of 5796 (865809)
10-31-2019 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 3263 by Phat
10-30-2019 6:50 PM


Re: H8 radio is self selectively right wing to far [alt]right wing
Note Hillary. She uses the whole "God" thing to continue her political ideology of Christian Nationalism.
Please explain what you mean by this.
You think Hillary Clinton is a Christian Nationalist? What views has she expressed that brings you to this conclusion?
Thus, all politicians of either Right or Left Ideology could be said to use Christian Nationalism as a talking point.
I am not sure how this follows. What has come before does not bring us to the thus statement.
Elijah Cummings was a christian nationalist? Bernie Sanders uses it as a talking point? Warren? Governor Evers of WI? My local county board member?
Maybe I am missing the whole point of your post.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?

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Message 3265 of 5796 (865826)
10-31-2019 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 3262 by RAZD
10-30-2019 4:19 PM


Re: H8 radio is self selectively right wing to far [alt]right wing
Michelle Obama called an ape
Obama effigy lynched
Targets drawn on Dem politicians
I've been listening to right wing radio for over a year now and heard absolutely nothing of this sort. This is some kind of smear propaganda.
AbE: My eyes are particularly bad at the moment so I may have missed something but struggling through your quoted paragraph I see nobody named as the source of the offenses.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 3266 of 5796 (865889)
11-01-2019 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 3221 by Percy
10-28-2019 10:07 AM


Re: Civil Debate
The news media only reports and comments on what Trump says and does, like this crude tweet from earlier this month:
Only? Okay, guess we have to leave that there. But really, if Trump's "crude" tweets and language are a big part of the opposition to him, it seems you don't have much, because there has been plenty of crude tweets and language from his opposition, like Rashida Tlaib's selling of "Impeach the MF" tee shirts. Crudeness and bluntness IS politics today - back and fourths on just that don't accomplish much IMO.
If Zucker's personal feelings about Trump are influencing the objectivity and accuracy of CNN reporting then you should call those stories to our attention. It's easy to say (paraphrasing), "CNN is biased and it comes from the top," but it's a lot harder to show it.
But I did show it, in Message 3213. Was only one reference not enough?
You're actually referring to Trump lawyer Charles Harder's letter to CNN. It's not a lawsuit, it's just a letter full of accusations and threats.
Accusations and threats that are verifiable and proven.
Now that we have Project Veritas in context,
Equally, I have ABC World News Tonight in context. David Muir, Cecilia Vega and Jonathon Karl are a left wing activist group. They use deceptively edited videos and commentary, and omission of much relevant news, to make it clear they're a Democrat disinformation outfit. And yet they masquerade as an unbiased news source, unlike Project Veritas. I don't need any scholars to tell me that, I can easily see it for myself.
If you really believe that CNN President Zucker is keeping CNN's primary focus on impeachment to an inappropriate degree then you should try to show it.
I did. I'm too busy these days to chase goalposts.
At present all the stories at the top of the page are about the raid that killed Baghdadi, even the one that touches on impeachment, which is an analysis piece. That article list will change as we move through the news cycle. Keep your eye on it and let us know when it steps over the line.
If I can find the time, but ABC news is my main focus for now. Of course the mainstream media has to mention the big news items like the Baghdadi raid, because it's all over other sources of information. ABC spent about 3 minutes on it the other evening, then, back to impeachment, and their endless sensationalism about the weather, with plenty of "climate change" between the lines.

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Message 3267 of 5796 (865891)
11-01-2019 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 3224 by Percy
10-28-2019 2:24 PM


Re: Fox News Gets the Facts Backward
The economic decline of rural America is a reality and has been for a very long time. The outmigration from rural areas into cities began back in the 1800's and continues today. It's why the number of hospitals and shopping malls and so forth keeps declining in the hinterlands - the smaller and smaller populations cannot sustain them.
Your "economic decline of rural America" comments have inspired me to some reading on the internet of the analysis and commentary on some of today's hardships in rural America, including commentary of some of those residents. There's no question that in simpler times, rural America consisted largely of small and medium sized farms, and the supporting businesses and activity that supplemented them have since dried up. But when all the immigrants were coming into the U.S. in the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries, and made lives for themselves outside of cities, they didn't exactly have it easy. Again, today's residents of rural America have it pretty good compared to past generations.
Wealth disparity is greater today than at any time in our country's history except for the last few years of the 1920's.
I did notice a touch of jealousy in some of the rural American's comments, and that's a large part of the problem. They'd be a lot happier if they'd just live their own lives, and not compare themselves to wealthier people. I've seen evidences of very happy and productive poor people, and some very unhappy rich people.
The Bible says not to covet, the Apostle Peter, when told what he had to do, said, "what about him?" referring to John. Jesus said, "what is that to Thee?" Covetousness and jealousy are bigger problems today than many realize.
You're against taking action against climate change. Check.
Oh no, I'm still waiting to see what the "action" is going to be. There's a difference between clever political jargon and actual action. When I hear some, I'll let you know.
How much climate change happens due to human activity is a big debate today, but it's clear to everyone that climate change can and has happened from other sources completely unrelated to human activity. What that means is that any attempts of man to improve or control climate change can't have target goals or accountability, since other occurrences can interfere, sunspots as one example, and those occurrences aren't predictable or controllable.
ABC News describes the California wildfires as "erupting", and "escalating rapidly". They seldom say that it takes a spark to ignite a fire, and fuel for it to burn. The climate change activists seem to be trying to claim that the slight increase in global temperatures is causing the underbrush to be drier, therefore these fires are the result of climate change. But California's liberal forest management? Seldom mentioned.
The climate change debate is reaching a fever pitch, probably almost to the point of the slavery debate in about 1858. The big difference is the MONEY involved - climate change action involves untold billions in corruption and bribes. As soon as Democrats turn loose of all their secrets about just what is going to be banned and whose lives are gong to be destroyed, the cry of "how dare you" is going to be met with "don't tread on me", and we're likely to see another very bloody internal war.
A rational guess is that one of the first climate change actions is for the government to analyze the most severe, and "least necessary" sources of fossil fuel use. If I remember right, our very own RAZD, some years ago, made some reference to an old vehicle that he was working on/ restoring, somewhere in one of the more casual discussions here. It genuinely makes me wonder, does he think he'll get a special pass because he supports global warming activism, or will he gladly stand aside and watch jack-booted thugs come and seize it?
Your justifying anti-intellectualism, racism, bigotry and parochialism on the basis of tradition? Really?
Those are your labels, but if labeled differently, like a realization that the U.S. wasn't founded automatically, and isn't sustained automatically, and some safeguards and understanding of human nature are required to avoid a collapse of our society, (like Venezuela) then it could be that tradition is a more solid mindset than your modern day name calling.
I think we've become a bit more enlightened in our thinking in the century since Teddy Roosevelt.
Here's one from Grover Cleveland;
quote:
"The friendliness and charity of our countrymen can always be relied upon to relieve their fellow citizens in misfortune. This has been repeatedly and quite lately demonstrated. Federal aid in such cases encourages the expectation of paternal care on the part of the Government and weakens the sturdiness of our national character, while it prevents the indulgence among our people of that kindly sentiment and conduct which strengthens the bonds of a common brotherhood."
(bolded mine)
http://www.liberalinstitute.com/...erGovernmentFunction.html
There are some more of his quotes, and quotes from other past presidents as well at this link.
The "sturdiness of our national character" of 100 years ago is just about gone. The Democrat party of "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" is completely gone.
Of course it's Trump being Trump, a very insecure man
Insecure? One of the reasons he's hated so much is because he has demonstrated confidence and a thick skin far beyond the expectations of many who voted for him in 2016.
Then why did you say that economic issues aren't going to sway any Trump voters?
?? Very few Trump voters are going to vote against him in the 2020 election because of the economy.
The urban/rural economic disparity has nothing to do with self reliance. It has to do with living in an economically disadvantaged region. The economic opportunities that exist in and closer to cities simply aren't present out in the country.
That is true, largely because of urban area debt.
quote:
This year, the study found that 64 cities do not have enough money to pay all of their bills, and in total, the cities have racked up $335.4 billion in unfunded municipal debt. The study ranks the cities according to their Taxpayer Burden or Surplus, which is each taxpayer's share of city bills after available assets have been tapped.
https://www.truthinaccounting.org/...tate-of-the-cities-2016
But that's not what you said. You referred to "the disastrous results of many past socialist experiments worldwide." If when you say "socialist experiments" you mean socialism in the classical sense of state ownership of business and industry then we're not talking about the same thing. By socialism is only meant social programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, and in Europe it would include healthcare. Europe's doing fine, having done an excellent job of blending social programs into free enterprise economies. Moving closer to the European model would make a lot of sense.
Doesn't make a lot of sense to everyone.
quote:
A recent poll showed 43% of Americans think more socialism would be a good thing. What do these people not know?
Socialism has killed millions, but it’s now the ideology du jour on American college campuses and among many leftists. Reintroduced by leaders such as Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the ideology manifests itself in starry-eyed calls for free-spending policies like Medicare-for-all and student loan forgiveness.
In The Case Against Socialism, Rand Paul outlines the history of socialism, from Stalin’s gulags to the current famine in Venezuela. He tackles common misconceptions about the utopia of socialist Europe. As it turns out, Scandinavian countries love capitalism as much as Americans, and have, for decades, been cutting back on the things Bernie loves the most.
Socialism’s return is only possible because many Americans have forgotten the true dangers of the twentieth-century’s deadliest ideology. Paul reveals the devastating truth: for every college student sporting a Che Guevara T-shirt, there’s a Venezuelan child dying of starvation. Desperate refugees flee communist Cuba to escape oppressive censorship, rationed food and squalid hospitals, not free healthcare. Socialist dictatorships like the People’s Republic of China crush freedom of speech and run massive surveillance states while masquerading as enlightened modern nations. Far from providing economic freedom, socialist governments enslave their citizens. They offer illusory promises of safety and equality while restricting personal liberty, tightening state power, sapping human enterprise and making citizens dependent on the dole.
If socialism takes hold in America, it will imperil the fate of the world’s freest nation, unleashing a plague of oppressive government control. The Case Against Socialism is a timely response to that threat and a call to action against the forces menacing American liberty.
Amazon.com
I'll probably have to pick up a copy of this book. You probably should too.

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Message 3268 of 5796 (865905)
11-02-2019 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 3265 by Faith
10-31-2019 2:25 PM


Re: H8 radio is self selectively right wing to far [alt]right wing
I've been listening to right wing radio for over a year now and heard absolutely nothing of this sort. This is some kind of smear propaganda.
Old vaudeville routine: Man is next to the street lamp searching the ground for something. He responds to a passer-by's question that he lost his watch and is trying to find it. Where did he lose it? Half way down the block. Why is he searching here instead of there? The light is better here.
Those events happened during the Obama administration (20 Jan 2009 — 20 Jan 2017), especially in his first term. That was not during this past year, so who could ever expect it to show up on right wing radio as recent news? The article that RAZD cited and quoted from was published in July 2012 and updated in September 2012, seven years ago!
Unlike you, I was paying attention back then. I do remember those images of the Obamas being depicted as chimps and of that effigy lynching, though I'm a bit hazy about the targets drawn on Democrats.
... but struggling through your quoted paragraph I see nobody named as the source of the offenses.
The anonymity of the offenders emboldening them was the article's point (my emphasis added):
quote:
But that’s not the case with the growing barrage of racist assaults on Obama, and other minorities on social media sites. Baylor University researchers, for instance, recently tracked more than 20 Facebook page groups and users and found them jam-packed with racist venom aimed at Obama, blacks and other minorities. The growing number of groups that churn hate on social media sites are secure in the knowledge that they won’t be caught or called out on it.

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Message 3269 of 5796 (865916)
11-02-2019 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 3268 by dwise1
11-02-2019 9:31 AM


Re: H8 radio is self selectively right wing to far [alt]right wing
It shouldn't matter when such things were said, the claim is that such stuff is typical of right wing radio and it's not.

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Message 3270 of 5796 (865918)
11-02-2019 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 3269 by Faith
11-02-2019 12:47 PM


Re: H8 radio is self selectively right wing to far [alt]right wing
quote:
Rush Limbaugh’s Hate Radio Network ...
Thanks to a concerted effort among conservatives, America has been addicted to hate for too long. Like many destructive commodities, as long as hate sells its purveyors will never stop peddling it and in 21st Century America nothing sells like hate. Conservatives thrive on peddling hate because it resonates with their increasingly ignorant racist, sexist, and nativist base. In fact, Republicans have benefitted greatly from selling hate and it was that fact that likely prompted Mormon cultist and then aspiring Republican presidential candidate Willard ‘Mitt’ Romney to direct his company, Bain Capital, to buy control of America’s leading hate radio network, Clear Channel. Romney’s intent was to use his new hate radio network to curry favor with the hate-addicted Republican base to win the White House in 2012
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