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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
So nothing. This is the third item I have asked you to provide evidence for your claims. So far nothing. Yes you are a troll. Or just a gullible puppet of the alt-right propaganda machine that cares nothing for truth, layers falsehoods on falsehoods, and whose main goal is fascism over democracy. Humpty Dumbty is their willing tool, McConnell as well. They are owned. Dumbty wants to go to the Russian Parade ... if he does let's hope he stays ... Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The Left is an Ideology, leftists like all people can be sterotyped, they may believe all sorts of degrees and variations on the ideology, but the ideology is what it is and I'm clear about what it is. Says the most ideologically driven blinded by her ideology poster on the forum. "The Left" is not an ideology, Faith. People are not an ideology.
quote: People on the left embrace leftist ideologies.
quote: and just for completeness
quote: ... they may believe all sorts of degrees and variations on the ideology, but the ideology is what it is and I'm clear about what it is. Actually you make it out to be much more than it really is. You think science in general, and evolution in particular, is a leftist plot to distract people from the "real truth" of your ideology. You think anyone slightly to the left of your extreme right wing ideology is leftist, and yes, you are very clear about that. You think objective empirical facts are wrong when they contradict your ideology. You rant at people for having a different opinion, especially when they back it up with facts that you can't accept. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Yes the Left IS an ideology. I doln't call Liberalism an ideology although it may incorporate the ideology of the Left. I use the word "Left" specifically because I want to emphasize that it is an ideology, ... So once again we see you trying to redefine words to mean something different than what they mean to everyone else, while ignoring the meaning of words that can be used to say what you mean.
I was trying to say that people may subscribe to different degrees of the ideology though. The subject was stereotyping and I was saying that people can be stereotyped although they don't hold to the whole ideology. Or in other words you broadbrush everything and everyone even slightly to the left of your extreme personal ideology by calling them all one group, and then equate everyone in that group with the worst extreme example you can think of.
I was trying to say that people may subscribe to different degrees of the ideology though. The subject was stereotyping and I was saying that people can be stereotyped although they don't hold to the whole ideology. Except that you are implying that they are all just as bad by your stereotyping. Do you ever wonder why people think you are hateful? Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Marc, sorry to add to the answer pile, but I'm curious:
This is all true, but us Constitutionalists believe it's not a reason for the government to increase its involvement in domestic economics. Like Phat/Thugpreacha I had to look up Constitutionalist/m. I get a little different take:
quote: (Color added to highlight specific points) Could you elaborate in your words what is meant by "a higher law" ... particularly in context of "the principle that the authority of government derives from and is limited by a body of fundamental law" and constitutionalism "is the name given to the trust which men repose in the power of words engrossed on parchment to keep a government in order" ... is it that the written human law ensconced in, say the US Constitution, is paramount to any personal law or belief? In regards to Trump, do his frequent claims that the Constitution allows him to do what he wants meet the smell test? Was his use of his position to attempt to extort a foreign government leader into assisting his re-election campaign overstepping the bounds? Is his refusal to comply with subpoenas issued by the House in pursuit of due diligence on oversight overstepping the bounds? Just wondering. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
You're just repeating a fake argument Trump made up. California has been experiencing longer, hotter fire seasons, diminishing snowpack, and longer droughts, and that's why the trend has been more fires and more dangerous fires. Why has only California been experiencing them, why not Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Utah, Idaho, Montana? Wouldn't it be interesting if the news media would interview some forest management officials of the above states and ask them why their states have far fewer wildfires than California? They'd probably get an earful, one that they'd rather keep covered up. Except it isn't only California, it is also happening in Canada and Siberia. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Proponents of Constitutionalism are similar to or fellow travelers with Libertarians. They believe in "for me, but not for thee". That's the impression I got, I just wanted to hear what marc had to say. It seems to me that Trumpty Dumbty is a bull in a china shop when it comes to following the law, and wanted feed-back on that as well. If we are looking at behavior that is narrowly provided in the Constitution, it seems that would mean appearing in hearings when lawfully subpoenaed. The House subpoenas are lawful and necessary for them to provide the Constitution mandated oversight on the Executive branch and the separation of powers. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Indeed.
I was going to include the Amazon, but that appears to be man caused for genocide on indigents and animals. We might want to have a thread on genocide ... and look at the administrations selective attacks on brown immigrants. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... Is there anyone on the right who finds it suspicious that Trump is this determined to keep his tax returns secret? Or do they just not care that he may have massive debts to Russia, Saudi Arabia and Turkey involving the financing of his towers -- we know he doesn't use is own money (heaven forfend), but gets others to invest so he can leave them high and dry when they go bankrupt. That could explain why he gives these three countries whatever they want. You want to investigate corruption? Start with the tax returns. We know from Cohen that he may have used two sets of books. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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He has no legal obligation to release his tax returns and I'm glad he's sticking to it. Actually he has a legal obligation to provide information to congress so they can properly perform their oversight duties. This is why he lost in the court and was ordered to provide his tax returns. This is not to judge whether or not the filing passed the IRS as a legal tax return, the question are
Neither of these have anything to do with the legality of the tax filing itself, but everything to do with whether or not Humpty Dumbty Trumpy is committing fraud.
MAY ALL THE TRUTH COME OUT ... You have demonstrated this over and over. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Mueller debacle had no reason for existing in the first place because it had no legal reason for doing an investigation. Lie. The purpose of the Mueller investigation was to look into Russian interference in the 2016 election and any other crimes they came across in their investigation. Multiple russians have been indicted for interference in the election. Including now the recent conviction of Roger Stone. So much winning ... by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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What courts in connection with what issue? quote: And there have been more since then. Most recently Roger Stone.
... in connection with what issue? In connection with Mueller's report -- mostly with Russian interference, obstruction of justice, lying to congress, etc. and other courts. Google it and read. If you don't you are living in a bubble of ignorance. If you don't want to do that then you are not interested in the truth. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : subtitleby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I probably used the wrong word - the term "originalist" would have been a more appropriate one. It's an age-old division, largely along party lines, where conservatives (Antonin Scalia as one example) interpret the constitution as in what it's text actually says, Originalism - Wikipedia quote: Article 5 referring to the process of amendment. So it's a relatively new (1980) interpretation of the Constitution. Now I would expect an originalist interpretation of amendment 2 ...
quote: ... would mean that people with arms should be members of a state organized, funded and trained militia as defined in the Constitution, in the current manner of the individual State National Guard units operating today (see Constitution:
quote: ... and I would NOT expect that to include private ownership of mass killing machines, or carrying them in public, as those - along with proper training in their use would be provided by the National Guard units, or the armed services should they enlist. We do not normally see any armed service members carrying arms in public, nor do we normally see any police carrying weapons, except a single service pistol issued for specifically work and protection, and which use is tightly controlled. Note that I do not see anywhere any provision for individuals to use arms to murder large numbers of innocent citizens going about their normal everyday business, or for arming them for such purpose. I think you would agree that the founders would find such behavior abhorrent.
quote: And carrying loaded mass murder weapons in public would also be a misdemeanor (affrighting), because that was the law when the constitution was written.
This debate has been going on for over 100 years, I have no desire to get any more involved with it here. Do you at least agree that the current situation has gotten out of hand, and that the states have the legal right to pass laws regulating weapons and their use? Scalia thought so.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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I've broken this into two parts because they are different issues
In regards to Trump, do his frequent claims that the Constitution allows him to do what he wants meet the smell test? For those who don't hate him and wish him out of office before his first term is up, yes. Hate and political leaning has nothing to do with this simple question, and your answer is totally inadequate. You claim to be an "originalist" and your answer should be based on that position. Let me ask again ... consider any president, democrat, republican or independent:
Does the US constitution give the president the absolute right to do whatever he wants. If you are really an "originalist" I would think your answer would be a resounding NO. Can you explain why you went all wishy-washy and gave Humpty Dumbty Trumpty a pass? Would you do the same for Obama or Bill Clinton? Somehow I doubt it given your weaseling answer. Your answer doesn't pass the smell test.
Was his use of his position to attempt to extort a foreign government leader into assisting his re-election campaign overstepping the bounds? No. Attempting to discover the truth about possible criminal activity of the son of Joe Biden, who isn't, and won't be, his opponent in 2020, had nothing to do with his re-election campaign. First off, Hunter Biden was investigated and cleared by Ukraine prosecutors in May. Second, that's not the question. It is against Federal campaign law to ask for or receive assistance from a foreign country. Here is Humpty Dumbty Trumpty asking for a political favor from Ukraine. Third, using his office of President to ask a personal favor in return for US approved aid is abuse of power. Fourth, there were no other requests regarding corruption, or requests for investigation of any other people, Humpty Dumbty Trumpty was withholding approved aid to get the Ukraine president to open an investigation into Hunter Biden and Joe Biden. There were no other requests regarding corruption, or requests for investigation of any other people, and the word corruption does not appear in the phone call memos/transcripts (summaries) for either his first call or his second call (the one where he asks for a favor). Why was the aid suddenly released after the whistleblower document was released? Because he didn't have the authority to hold it (his lawyers told him). Why did the Ukraine president cancel an interview with CNN that he had scheduled two days after the document was released? Because the aid came through and the extortion scheme had been exposed. If he really was "Attempting to discover the truth about possible criminal activity of the son of Joe Biden" then why did the aid suddenly go through and why did the Ukraine president suddenly cancel the scheduled interview? Why would that change?
Is his refusal to comply with subpoenas issued by the House in pursuit of due diligence on oversight overstepping the bounds? Nah, he's the president. He should have a few privileges - he does have a lot of things to do, that a large part of the population probably considers more important. So actually you are just a fake "originalist" and only whine about it when it suits you, not when it really matters. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Barbarians would have killed him long ago. Romans would have done it ...
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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All but two of the "witnesses" were not witnesses, they wre reporting third and fourth hand hearsay. Aand there is no mention of "aid" in the transcript of the phone call. Every testimony to date has supported the bare facts that aid was withheld, that favors were asked for -- as detailed in the letter/memo of the August 12 phone call. So far neither Trump nor the republicans have presented any exculpatory evidence:
quote: So far all the evidence presented is inculpatory. All republicans have done is pretend that nothing happened. The bare minimum evidence that everyone should agree on:
(1) -- it weakens the apparent support for Ukraine from the west and emboldens his expansionist behavior. This is evident from watching Russian TV, where they are advising Ukraine to side with Russia. (2) -- it allows Giulliani, as Trump's personal lawyer/representative, to verbalize the quid pro quo (extortion) of "deliverables" ... investigation into Biden, the mythical DNC server etc The action of Trump (whitehouse, administration, etc) in refusing to provide any evidence is (a) obstruction of justice (withholding evidence is a crime) and (b) implies there is no exculpatory evidence they could release, and (c) gives the impression of guilt. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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