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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
China purchasing crops from us. I think you're confused. The China deal wasn't limited to agricultural products. It included everything. China has committed to increasing imports from the US by a total of $200 billion over the next two years. That's a stunning increase and would put 2020 ahead of 2017, the last full year before Trump unilaterally imposed tariffs and sparked a trade war. The China deal would be a victory except that it comes with a great many caveats and uncertainties. We'll see what really happens. But let's give you a victory on this one.
North Korea stopping its saber rattling. Again, definitely not a victory, the opposite in fact: https://www.cnbc.com/...ing-action-new-strategic-weapon.html
iran for the moment silent. It's been two and a half weeks since the Iran's ballistic missile attack on our Iraqi bases. Two and a half weeks of no attacks or Iran sponsored terrorism is a victory to you? When Iran eventually retaliates, most likely through a proxy that we cannot directly link to Iran, what kind of victory is it then? Wouldn't it be better to drop the sanctions, rejoin the Iran nuclear accord, and build toward making Iran a constructive and non-nuclear member of the global community?
Great reduction in illegals coming through our border thanks to a deal he made with Mexico. I couldn't find hard recent numbers on this one, but I doubt that Trump can chalk this up as a victory. The new policy was expected to begin having an effect around June of last year, but it wasn't expected to drop below year ago levels by now, see this graph from Donald Trump, 45th President of the United States | Washington Examiner:
You're one for four. Maybe it would help if you tried keeping up with this stuff. Read or listen to the news instead of to opinion commentators who are trying to get you stirred up, trying to give you a rush of adrenaline that you get hooked on to make you keep coming back to their shows. Fox News is good: Fox News - Breaking News Updates | Latest News Headlines | Photos & News Videos --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Wouldn't it be better to drop the sanctions, rejoin the Iran nuclear accord, and build toward making Iran a constructive and non-nuclear member of the global community? - That is extremely nave. They have absolutely no interest in doing that. The same way Palestine has absolutely no interest in being a mere other state beside Israel, slthough they will occasionally give lip service to the idea. They want Israel absolutely wiped off the map. The Islamic State of iran is never going to give up building nuclear power with which to bring in the worldwide Islamic Caliphate to which all others must submit or die. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Faith writes: They never got to say one word. What do you mean I have no idea how due process was violated? I think JonF means pretty much what he says. You keep claiming it but never explaining it. You don't seem to have the faintest idea of what constitutes due process in a House impeachment hearing.
We heard nothing but the Democrats,... Both Democrats and Republicans participated in the impeachment process in the House. During the Intelligent Committee hearings if the Democrats got an hour, then the Republicans got an hour. Same-same.
...l not a word from the President's team. The President's team were not invited to the House Intelligence Committee hearings, but they were invited to the Judiciary Committee hearings. They declined.
He never got to confront his accuser, nothing. How can you keep saying the same wrong things? Do you actually read what people write, or is it what it looks like, that you just mindlessly type the same stuff over and over again no matter what people say? This has been explained in so many different ways that I can't think of a new way to explain it. I'll just again ask, if you actually believe a trial is what took place in the House, then what do you think is taking place in the Senate right now? And why aren't you demanding that the president be able to confront his accusers in the Senate, like Fiona Hill, Gordon Sondland, David Holmes, Kurt Volker and the rest, instead of backing the Senate's efforts to have a trial with no witnesses or documents? If you feel it was so important that Trump confront his accusers in the House, why not in the Senate where the actual trial is taking place? --Percy
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Iran gave up building a nuclear bomb. They were abiding by the agreement.
The only problem with the agreement was Obama's signature. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Duplicate .
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Faith writes: Right it's abhorrent if we knock down a statue or something... Seriously? You think Trump is going to send in a SEAL team to knock down a statue? Do you really not understand that he meant missiles and bombs and significant destruction? That's a war crime.
...but OK for them to kill hundreds of Americans. That's his point. His point was obvious and doesn't need explaining. Still a war crime. --Percy
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7
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I really really really wish it was possible to split this nation geographically so I could live with the conservatives and never have to hear another insane word from the Left. A friend has a t-shirt depicting that. The new red nation is called Dumbfuckistan. Unfortunately, North Dakota would be included in Dumbfuckistan. When I was stationed there on a SAC base, word was that if it were to become its own country then it would be the sixth most powerful nuclear power.
I guess there's no way to bring that about unfortunately. Yes, that is a pity. It would stop the red states from sucking up so much of the tax money from the blue states to compensate for GOP mismanagement.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You have absolutely nbo idea what he planzs to do ever. You would never have guessed that he would do such a pinpoint operation to take out Soleimani. So you have no cause to say one word about what he would do with cujlturqal xsites or qwhy or any of that.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
We can all play that game.
I'd love to see the Blue States try to make it without us. I'd guesss it wouldn't be too long before many of them would apply for admission to Conservitania because conditions were getting unlivable in Leftistia. In reality they'd probably wise up and start acting more like red states because the error of their ways would become clear even to them.. But it would be interesting to watch. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
marc9000 writes: marc9000 writes: That's quite a stretch, that would have to mean that any country with those services is a socialist country. That would make it hard to distinguish between all the different forms of government around the world. It's less an argument and more just food for thought. Where does one draw the line between the services government should provide and those that should remain in the private sector? The 10th amendment answers that question. The federal government's services are limited and defined, the states are much more unlimited and undefined. Each state makes those decisions according its political processes, then the differing ways that each state does things can be compared to each other. The 10th amendment is about where to draw the line between state and federal government. It has nothing to do with where to draw the line between public and private sectors. Repeating the question, no matter what the level of government, where does one draw the line between the services government should provide and those that should remain in the private sector? It's a rhetorical question, food for thought. Thanks for the detailed response, maybe another time. --Percy
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frako Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined:
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The red states go bankrupt the next day whiteout the blue states. The red states depend on the federal budget while the blue states pay in to the federal budget.
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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This opinion piece appeared in yesterday's USA Today, describing what true patriotism is: No, chaplain, Republicans aren't 'patriots' in Trump impeachment trial. A short excerpt:
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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marc9000 writes: I can't see any difference in how you distinguish between what you consider factual reporting and the opinion pieces you link to, any differently than I do. Yes, it's been clear for some time that this distinction isn't apparent to you, and it's become evident that it isn't within my power to help you. Thanks for the reply. All the best. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Faith writes: One man's terrorist is another man's patriot... OK, he's a terrorist to US... And was the top Iranian general.
...and a terrorist to many/most of the Iranian people,... Fake and false claim. Made up. Repeated many times with malicious intent.
...and to many others in the Middle East,... Depends whether they're Christian, Sunni or Shiite. What is the source of your information? Making things up again?
...and a patriot to the Islamic State. Blatantly incorrect claim. Soleimani opposed ISIS. Think it through. He's Shia and worked with Iraq to push ISIS out, and ISIS is Sunni. This is from Qasem Soleimani - Wikipedia:
quote: So what's your point? We have to respect a patriot of the Islamic State... Well, this is vague. There are many Islamic States. Are you referring to ISIS again? Is so then you're repeating the fallacy I just described for you. Soleimani was Shia, ISIS is Sunni. Soleimani was not an ISIS patriot.
...mourn his death,... Your repetitions of this false accusation in the face of numerous corrections has elevated it from mere ignorance to a lie. Describing how assassinating Soleimani was a bad idea because it further destabilized a volatile region is in no way declaring sympathy or sadness at his death. We cry for the world, not for Soleimani. Killing evil people is not always, or even usually, the way to make things better. The Iraq region has been unstable ever since the removal and execution of Hussein, because Hussein had been able to hold together all the disparate factions. The better approach would have been diplomacy to make Iraq a better citizen of the world, for example by ending atrocities. An older example is the death of Tito in Yugoslavia. He was all that held the disparate factions together, and after his death Yugoslavia fragmented into a number of warring states.
...in fact not kill him at all? Yes, the much better approach. We should have used some other target to make our point to Iran. We should also rejoin the Iran nuclear pact and resume negotiations to keep Iran from becoming nuclear power.
The Nazis were patriots in Germany. You get the point. I get that you don't have a point. The Nazis were a totalitarian regime. Support for them mostly evaporated with defeat and the death of their charismatic leader. Iran isn't like that at all. Even if all their top leaders were somehow assassinated and the country conquered, Iran as a people would remain Shia and mortally opposed to the US.
I happen to believe that there is a clear difference between good and evil that is not all that hard to figure out. Oh, it's very hard to figure out. Most evil people think they're good.
We're good,... Quoting Trump again: "You think we're so innocent?"
...all the innocent Iranians and Iraqis are good, the Islamic State is bad, Soleimani was bad. America has always operated on the ability to tell the difference,... No, we haven't, for instance when we helped maintain the Shah of Iran in power by helping to stage a coup back in 1954, then continued to support him in the years after. The tremors from that action continue today.
...that's why we've always been a force for good in the world. Pure myth. We have been a force for both good and evil during our history. Our most significant redeeming factor is providing an example of democracy for the world. Countries needing help have often turned to us. Now they turn to us and don't understand what they see, what we have become under Trump.
Now it seems the Left is determined to blur it all to the point that there is no difference and murderers, terrorists, will be allowed to do as they please. No one on the left is saying this. This is you on the right making up stories about the left to place yourself in a positive but false light.
AbE: In fact let me add here that this attempt to criminalize and impeach Trump is a symptom of this kind of thinking. How many times must it be explained that Trump isn't accused of any criminal act, though after the articles of impeachment were voted it did emerge that withholding Ukrainian aid broke the law.
He's doing good... Fake claim.
...but he's been accused of doing evil. Yes. Misogyny, racism, bigotry, xenophobia, human rights abuse, wrongful assassination, lying, cheating, subverting American institutions for his own personal gain, coercing foreign governments into helping with his domestic political campaign.
This is already destroying the foundations of America and will bring us all crashing down very soon if the Left doesnh't come to its sense. Rephrasing this for you, Trump is destroying the foundations of America and will bring us all crashing down very soon if the right doesn't come to its senses.
And I'm afraid it looks like that isn't going to happen. Agreed. The Republicans in the House and Senate have lost their minds and given over complete fealty to Trump. Unanimous legislative votes is what happens in tinpot dictatorships, not healthy democracies.
As scripture says, somewhere in Isaiah, woe to those who put good for evil and evil for good. Well said. I think some self examination on your part is called for. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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You seem under some weird misimpression that intelligent discussion involves who can badmouth the best. You have no facts, no knowledge, no understanding, no comprehension, no insights, just hate. There's no substance in your post, nor in almost any of your posts, nothing worth responding to.
--Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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