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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
WHAT? What's the point of having current judges? Are you making some kind of sick joke?
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Percy Member Posts: 22506 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
After you said, "The Democrats ARE a socialist party these days," I asked if you could name any position of the Democratic party that is socialist. In another I believe you've already admitted that you can't.
Faith writes: It's the Left that doesn't understand what socialism is. I think it's pretty much just Bernie who is being confusing about socialism. Sometimes he talks about it as if it just means social programs like Social Security and Medicare, which aren't socialism, and sometimes he talks about actual socialism, which he apparently favors as an eventual goal.
There is no such thing as a "Democratic Socialist." Democratic socialism - Wikipedia
America became America by being America, socialism would only destroy it. Assuming that by socialism you mean public ownership of business and industry, we agree that socialism is not a good way to go. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I did not misuse "Never-Trumper"
I hear all the time about Hillary emails that are KNOWN to have been classified despite her obstruction of justice in doing away with them. The redcacted parts don't contain useful information, that's a leftist claim, not mine. They are redacted usually to protect people who should be protected. That's how I know there is nothing in the redacted portions to do anything but confirm what Barr already concluded from what was actually available. And it's the judge's idea that there would be more information of a different sort than Barr had that makes the judge most likely a Never Trumper/ Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I'm asking how can you deal with current issues if you don't let current judges consider them? WHAT? What's the point of having current judges? Are you making some kind of sick joke?"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Current judges should be educated in the original intent of the Constitution and taught to apply it to current legal issues. This is how some ARE taught, they are true Constitutionalists, they are conservatives. Those are the ones Trum and other conservatives want on the Supreme Court and on other courts because they will interpret the Constitutionj rightly. There is something really scary about your thinking, kind of shows what a mess the country is in that you, although a Canadian, still you parobably represent too many Americans as well, a real mess if you don't know what originalist means and the history of the insane idea of the "living" Constitution that is tearing the Constitution to shreds by turning America into a Communist state bit by bit.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That sounds more like indoctrination than education. Current judges should be educated in the original intent of the Constitution and taught to apply it to current legal issues. How do you know so infallibly what the original intent of the Constitution was, especially in the context of issues that didn't even exist when the Constitution was written? How could the framers even have an intent about things they had never heard of?"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Studying the Constitution correctly in the light of changing views means study8ing all the writings of the founding generation that shed light on what they meant in writing it. It's not about changing issues, it's about the principles they wanted to be foundational to the nation based on centuries of European history. Chainging it to suit changing views is only going to bring back all the injustices that were painstakingly corrected over the centuries in Europe. We already see that happening, at least we on the right do as we see the Left rejecting freedom of religion and freedom of speech, at least for everybody but themselves.
The way you deal with changing issues and points of view is by knowing the original intent very very well so that you don't change THAT but know how to apply it rightly, and then you can AMEND the Constitution, which was something provided for IN that Constitution, and then what you do is you apply the PRINCIPLE embodied in the Constitution to the new point of view. It takes a lot more knowledge than either you or I have, especially you.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Why would you want to be saddled with the principles of a bunch of slavers, racists and misogynists?
It's not about changing issues, it's about the principles they wanted to be foundational to the nation based on centuries of European history. Faith writes:
Well, no. It was changing views that reduced (some of) the injustices like slavery, racism and misogyny. There's still a lot of injustice that needs to be eliminated, not restored. Chainging it to suit changing views is only going to bring back all the injustices that were painstakingly corrected over the centuries in Europe."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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Percy Member Posts: 22506 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Faith writes: Yeah, so you don't like how Trump handles things. So? Well, yes. I'd be concerned about anyone in a position of power who makes decisions based upon impulse, emotion and conspiracy theories instead of facts, information from experts, consultation with advisors, due diligence and calm deliberation.
He's the President and he has every right to have people around him that HE wants to have around him despite your opinions about the people he should want to have around him. I think we as a people have every right to a president with the qualities I listed above. --Percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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I'm going to toss this in here to stir your pot a bit:
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I, for one, am glad to see Faith participating in the political threads again. And this isn't sarcasm.
He's the President and he has every right to have people around him that HE wants to have around him despite your opinions about the people he should want to have around him. I'm always a little leery about discussing the "rights" of political office holders. They may have, by virtue of their position, authority to make various decisions and may be given certain privileges, but I think the word "right" has the wrong connotations in this context.The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool. -- Richard Feynman
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Dj vu is a powerful mental shock to an old one with a fragile mental constitution.
It took me longer than I care to admit to realize I had already seen this and gave you a cheer for it. I get enough of these shocks without you conspiring to give me more. Here. Take your second cheer and let me alone.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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You either quarantine them on the ship or you quarantine them on a military base somewhere in the country. Are you arguing for the latter? A ship is not a hospital nor does it have the capacity to become one -- it is an incubator. A military base does have medical facilities and can erect quarantine structures as needed. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 22506 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Faith writes: Right wing fascism is what they had in Europe, it is not what we have in America. This is true.
The right in America is conservative,... What does it mean to be a conservative or on the right in the age of Trump, since Trump isn't really either. He's an opportunist.
...Constitutional originalists, strong on preserving individual liberties. Well, not really. There's all those pesky amendments to the original, and then there's conservative opposition to a woman's right to choose, antagonism toward separation of church and state, and restrictions on the right to vote. And if Trump's views are now the views of conservatives then there's conflation of criticism of the government with anti-Americanism, antagonism toward a free press, racism, and misogyny.
It's the Left that wants to control everybody economically and culturally, and that's fascism. Now you're confusing totalitarianism with facism. Don't get me wrong, I'm opposed to both, but there *is* a difference. I think all reasonable people on both the right and left are opposed to totalitarianism and fascism. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22506 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Faith writes: ...DO report on something it's because they think they can use it to make Trump look bad. What in those headlines make Trump look bad, and independent of that, which are inaccurate, misleading or in error? There are all kinds of facts that can be used to insinuate something negative about a person. That's a lot of what fake news is, a lot of what the Left does. Well, I see I was right that you would argue interminably and nonsensically. You keep making claims about stories that are "fake news" but never show any that actually are.
A very common one is the headlines that quote some unknown official supposedly in some position to know, saying something negative about Trump. That's fake news and it's done ALL the time. This is true, but all reporting from all points of the political spectrum does this.
The point about your list of headlines is that with an exception or two they are NOT about the rallies as such, they are about something Trump said or did that is tangentially related to a rally that is being headlined because the Leftist media think it shows him in a bad light. You're just making up complaints. This makes no sense. The headlines I provided are all written in the same style, whether from the left or right. Here are headlines from conservative sources:
By your definition your conservative headlines are not about the rally, either, which is crazy, which you are if you really believe what you wrote. Could we please have a serious discussion? Could you please stop pretending you don't know how headlines are written?
*I* may not think it does but I know the media have that in mind because that's what they always do, minute by minute ever since Trump was elected and even before he was elected because they were afraid he WOULD be elected. Very few thought Trump had much of a chance of winning the election. He was criticized because of what he said and did, not because they were afraid he would win. If you'd like to instead say that they were afraid of what it would mean if he did win then I would wholeheartedly agree with that, and events since the election have shown this fear was well merited.
He probably DID schedule his rallies ahead of the primary to make a political point, but MY point is that if that is the headline it is not about his rally as such, it's about how he scheduling it to have a political effect. There were headlines from both the right and left that mentioned the timing. You continue on to critique the list of articles:
Here they are again:
Not about rally, about its timing. Since only one of those headlines mentions the timing I assume you're referring to the body of the articles. The Politico article mentions the timing in only one paragraph out of twelve. The Hill link is to a "Watch live" link and didn't have an article. The five sentence description only mentions the timing in one sentence. I posted that link because at the time I posted The Hill hadn't yet made available their article on the rally, but here it is now: https://thehill.com/...ffes-at-rally-on-eve-of-super-tuesday. In this article The Hill doesn't mention the timing, though it does quote Trump speaking about Super Tuesday. All three articles, even the brief one, only mentions the timing and move on to cover what Trump said at the rally.
Neither The Washington Examiner nor Fox News are Mainstream Media which are all Leftist, because they are both right wing. You can't define mainstream and non-mainstream as left and right. Fox News ratings exceeds the ratings of all other TV news programs, so it is by definition mainstream. The circulation of the Washington Examiner is only 45,000, but it is the conservative newspaper in our nation's capital, so it is mainstream. The circulation of the New York Post is 426,000, fourth most in the US and so very mainstream. If you want to distinguish between right and left you can't use mainstream and non-mainstream as your terminology.
Good to see that Fox gives some positive coverage to the rally unlike the others, in mentioning Trump's defense of his policies about the virus. But Fox News wasn't alone in describing Trump's defense of his administration's handling of the coronavirus. So did Politico:
quote: And guess whether this paragraph comes from The Washington Post or Fox News:
quote: If you guessed either one you'd be right. The original source of that paragraph is the AP. I bet when you read that paragraph at Fox News that you thought they were just being factual, and that when you read it at The Washington Post that they were slamming Trump. Your judgment is completely cockeyed and biased. If I quoted the full text of a Fox News article and told you it was from The Washington Post you would find all kinds of problems with it. This is just the way you are. If you think something is from a source you agree with then you bless it, and if you think it's from a source you disagree with then you put it through your meat grinder of contrived criticism. What it actually says and what the facts are don't matter to you.
Not terribly bad for leftie sources but still not about Trump's great achievements which are most of what his rallies are about, instead it's about Biden and I haven't read the story but no doubt it's all leftie talking points. You don't say which story you mean, but The Washington Post just reports things straight up. Here are the paragraphs that mention Biden:
quote: The Fox News story is very similar in style. If I showed you both stories without attribution you wouldn't know which was The Washington Post and which was Fox News:
quote: Breitbart is not mainstream media and it does give a simple objective statement about the rally rather than the insinuations we get from the leftie headlines. You said this in an earlier post. I told you I included it so you had something you were comfortable with.
Not too bad for leftie coverage overall, at least in the list as you presented it here. They're all just news articles. If I only provided text and didn't tell you where they came from you'd never figure out which came from where. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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