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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: If he knew enough about it to defend it in 2018 he ought to still know about it now, especially with all the questions about it. And he certainly shouldn’t be complaining that the question is nasty just because he doesn’t want to live up to his own claims about leadership.
quote: Nevertheless, he isn’t living up to his own standards.
quote: So it was the idea of bringing those people back that was inadequate? Because they were long gone. They can’t be blamed.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: I’m pretty sure she think the latter IS the correct usage.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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Before claiming that McCarthy was vindicated consider the other side.
Marsha Hunt - now 102 was one of the actresses on the blacklist.
BBC The Hollywood Ten were writers called to testify before HUAC and jailed for refusing to name names.
Marsha's problems with the authorities may have begun when she joined the Committee for the First Amendment - a group of liberal actors who supported the Hollywood Ten. Among those who flew to Washington were Danny Kaye, Gene Kelly and John Huston. Also there were Lauren Bacall and Humphrey Bogart, married and the biggest stars Warner Bros had. "We were a brigade to defend those who'd been blacklisted or were under suspicion," Hunt remembers. "We were serious citizens trying to set Washington straight: we were not a bunch of Reds. We were headed by the Bogarts so we were a pretty spiffy team. "I knew nothing about communism but I just thought that as it was a legal party other people had the right to join the darned thing if they wanted to. But it was a time of hysteria and all of us who spoke out against blacklists were punished in some way or other. There was a very strong right wing in the movie business." "We live, we proudly insist, in a free country. By that was meant, I was sure, that you were free to your opinions and actions if they didn't break any law. The anti-Reds were fighting Americans' freedoms. I didn't know the first thing about communism - never studied it, never learned about it. I must have known a few communists but I didn't care - that was their business, not mine." Many younger people know little about the Hollywood blacklist," she says. "Sometimes I'm asked if it could ever happen again. I hope America learned from what happened all those years ago. But how can you ever be sure?" Some people, it seems, want it to happen again. Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Yes, she thought she lived in a free country, and patriotically standing up for the Constitution wouldn’t be punished.
quote: The communists were a legal political party, for some members that’s all they were. But I see you’re a fan of the witch-hunt and the blacklists and likely think they weren’t extreme enough.
quote: Nevertheless he encouraged it with his red-baiting and it was his committee that jailed the Hollywood Ten.
quote: The point of the investigations was to persecute current and former communists and their associates and anyone who stood up for them. The blacklists continued that mentality.
quote: Then maybe McCarthy and co. shouldn’t have done that,
quote: Arguing that you have to get rid of freedoms to defend them is not a sensible position.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: You certainly sound like you are.
quote: So long as they keep within the law people should be free to follow whatever ideology they choose. Radical Islam - and White Supremacy - are dangerous for the terrorism they inspire, but it is the terrorism that should be prosecuted, not simple belief.
quote: The left would kill your propaganda program for the lies it tells. Remember you want to label centrists as communists.
quote: Totalitarian tyranny is coming from the Right. That’s what your defence of McCarthy is all about. It’s certainly not about the Soviet Union any more. And that was the only sensible basis for any sort of investigation.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: As usual what you call blindness is seeing things you don’t want seen. What is the point of falsely labelling anyone even slightly left wing as an extremist ? Or banning Islam because of the acts of comparatively few, condemned by many within Islam ? No good or honest purpose is served by either. Tyranny is the point. A one-party state, where freedom of religion is no more. That’s the point.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Given your talk of executing political opponents for (imagined) treason, and your talk of using propaganda to indoctrinate it is pretty clear that any solution you propose will be thoroughly unAmerican and opposed to freedom.
quote: Islam, like Christianity, has mixed messages on the subject. And if most Muslims are peaceful and good citizens, what is gained y demonising their religion ?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Oh come on. You know you’ve called for the execution of both a Obama and Hilary Clinton. And obviously any education based on demonising views you don’t like would be propaganda.
And you also know perfectly well that if I do quote you you’ll just drop it. No, I don’t have to jump through hoops to tell the truth about you.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: You can’t even remember Message 5529 where you suggest what you call a massive education program and say I'd be for that ? Posted less than 3 hours before you forgot ? Your memory seems to be conveniently unreliable.
quote: Demanding that I dig through the site archives to find things seems less than civil. As does the demand that I quote a post you made only a couple of hours before in the same thread.
quote: Maybe you should learn a little civility yourself.
quote: However, your usual response is to drop it without even an apology. Lying about it would be a new one.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Funny how Faith is ignoring the evidence already produced. Or it would be if it wasn’t what she usually does in these situations.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Well you still haven’t addressed the issue of the propaganda campaign for which I did present evidence. And I didn’t think you counted executions as violence.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: And the hysteria turned out to be far more accurate than his claims.
quote: It was a high level decision that happened on his watch, so yes he was responsible. That’s what leadership means. If you think Trump’s weaselling on the issue is good leadership then that’s your problem. It’s a very bad example.
quote: Obviously we care for it more than you or Trump.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
...for spreading misinformation. The latest video was apparently the last straw.
In the video in question, Jones said that "everybody dies under the new world order except maybe one tenth of one percent that believe they're going to merge with machines and have made deals with this inter-dimensional thing that gave them all the technology. ... You can't make a deal with these aliens, OK, that the Bible tells you about and ever get off the planet." Elsewhere in the video, Jones claims that natural anti-virals exist to treat the novel coronavirus. Ars Technica Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fix link - there was a space between '[url'= and 'https:'
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: Funny how the story changes. Not so long ago you said that there was hysteria about the virus which Trump called a hoax. Now that hysteria never existed.
quote: That would be the Joe Biden who warned that Trump had left America unproared to face a pandemic back in January? USA Today. When everybody was saying no big deal, not to worry. Biden is not convinced that travel bans would help much - especially after the virus was already in the US, but that is not at all the sane thing as being unconcerned with the virus,
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
And just to emphasise the lying, here’s what Faith was saying a couple of weeks ago:
Message 5565... what he called a hoax was the media's hysteria about the virus Message 5592Trump did think it was under control and the reason he kept emphasizing that was what he considered to be the dangerous hysteria the media were putting out Everyone was saying oh no big deal, not to worry, etc ?
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