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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Did you read what he wrote in his post Phat?
Do you understand what he posted? Did you read the part I even quoted?
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Phat writes: As Christians, we need to market Christ before we market our responsibility. Bullshit. Utter bullshit! Jesus was all about responsibility; the message of Jesus is responsibility. To market Jesus separate from responsibility is to denigrate, diminish and degrade Jesus and the message of Jesus.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Fortunately, all the evidence shows that the God Phat created is totally powerless and impotent, unable or afraid to even show itself.
Now the crazies that believe in Phat's creation should rightfully be feared but certainly not the picayune creation Phat markets.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Only if you want to.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Yes, there is something you have to do to affect your do not burn status.
You need to love your neighbor as yourself, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, comfort the sorrowful, protect the helpless, educate the children, shelter the homeless. How you do that is totally open. You can do it individually or collectively; through direct action or through social action; as one person or as part of a society.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: How is the God I market any different than the one you market? Do you claim some personal relationship and communion? Do you claim that the God you market is the one true God?
Phat writes: And he is not religious Really Phat? How can you say such utterly stupid things? Any and Every God humans describe is simply the product of a human imagination. The "Christian Gods" (because there are at least as many Christian Gods as there are Christians) are not GOD. They are symbols, fantasies, things we create to fill in the blank spots in mental maps. They exist only as long as there is a believer.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: Are you seriously suggesting that it is up to us to interpret what He wants us to do with our lives? Of course it is up to us. That is the only possibility.
Phat writes: Are you seriously suggesting that He is incapable of giving you encouragement or teaching you anything? I have asked repeatedly for you or anyone else to explain how it might be possible for any God to communicate with any human; and you and everyone else have failed to answer the question.
Phat writes: I DO believe that there is only One God. I DO believe that God is quite capable of personal Communion and relationship with humans. I can support such ideas with scripture. Have you never learned anything? Scripture can only support the fact that someone wrote what is contained in that particular piece of scripture.
Phat writes: So you don't believe that GOD could commune/communicate with us. Got it.And yet you speak for Her. You tell AZPaul that he is not in trouble unless he wants to be. You tell him indirectly that he can attack the whole concept of belief and that GOD would be perfectly fine with it. And that is a conclusion based on the evidence of what is actually written in the Bible and you should know by now I can and have presented you with the passages. Edited by jar, : appalin spallinMy Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: If the universe were only humans plus a myriad of other strange life forms, how would it be any safer than being in communion? LOL What the hell does "being in communion" even mean? You keep using words Phat but I don't think any of them mean what you think they mean.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It is obvious that humans invented and defined God and his attributes; all them different gods with all them different attributes.
As for God within traditional Christianity, there has also been little consensus but the real God is to be found in a loyal and honest adult believer no matter which real God he believes in. A Grandma who talks with God every day. Is she delusional? Were she in the middle of a catastrophe would she panic or would she trust the One whom she has prayed to and communicated with for fifty years instead of trying to find the best way out of the catastrophe or avoid the catastrophe in the first place? Any skeptic would be beside themselves trying to drum up such an instant connection. They would bargain with, plead with, and need an answer...and then actually try to implement the answer instead of hoping Holy Jeeves would do it.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I can only go by what you post Phat.
You said "Were she in the middle of a catastrophe would she panic or would she trust the One whom she has prayed to and communicated with for fifty years?" There is nothing in what you posted other than saying she would wait for "Holy Jeeves" to do it.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How can you tell whether any response you get from prayer is from Jesus and not Satan?
You have never ever even tried to answer that question.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You do realize that everything you quoted from nonbeliefmakeshitupnet is contrary to what is written in the Bible.
Have you ever read the Bible? Try reading Genesis 2 & 3. It's short with little words and contains a description of both God and Satan's voice. And you do understand that EVERY believer in EVERY God says exactly the same thing you say?My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And even if they actually were true they would not be evidence of God or anything supernatural.
The problem is that kids like Dredge and Phat simply have never learned what might be evidence.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: And what "kids" like you and ringo have never learned is that God is all about belief and is not required to be forever verified by evidence. For one thing, God does not talk with or help everybody (despite your logical conclusion that He ought to do so) and though He loves the world He makes it clear that belief is part of the deal rather than stoic skepticism and doubt. Yes Phat, close your eyes and say "I DO believe in fairies. I DO believe in fairies." And as you say belief is the single important and necessary condition for the existence of any and all God(s) and god(s). They exist only as long as someone believes they exist. And Tinkers spark of life glowed again simply because all the kids DID believe in fairies.
Pat writes: The whole idea of "throwing Him away" was always silly and never fully explained as to why the idea was wise. Actually it has been explained to you over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ... over again. The reason is simple. EVERY God and god ever described by any human is a creation of that human and exists only in that humans fantasy. GOD, if GOD does exist in not any of the God(s) or god(s) humans create.My Website: My Website
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The Jesus you try to market is just another made up character.
You have never even been able to explain what "Jesus (eternally alive)..." even means.My Website: My Website
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