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Faith 
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Message 4370 of 5796 (870498)
01-21-2020 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 4369 by Percy
01-21-2020 8:54 AM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
I'm sorry you believe all that. Please listen to Erica Kasraie's videos in Message 4323 and following. You may be so hardened in your acceptance of the Ldeftist point of view you'll just go on attacking me and calling Trump a liar even after you hear her. I hope not but by now I know how the wind blows at EvC.
AbE: She said a "majority" of the Iranian people are happy with what Trump did, BUT if you are right and the majority are against us, it makes no difference to the rightness of his taking out Solameini. It was the right thing to do, saying We will not tolerate the senseless ideologically driven murder of Americans, and if you continue you'll find out just how strong and precisely directed our military responses can be.
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Faith 
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Message 4375 of 5796 (870505)
01-21-2020 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 4372 by JonF
01-21-2020 9:22 AM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
Trial standards do not apply. Especially confronting accusers and participating in the investigation are not required.
Simple fairness and Constitutional rights and freedoms apply in ANY American proceding. They were honored in the Clinton impeachment, but completely suppressed in this one. It's all a political witch hunt, based on totalitarian fascist ways of operating, utterly contrary to our American standards.
That said, Trump could have had his lawyers participate. He chose not to.
Very late in the "procedings" and only under the permission or denial determined by the partisan leaders. Totally Star Chamber, totally kangaroo court.
Wake up. We've been witnessing a Congressional farce of unprecedented proportions, unconstitutional and in violation of every American principle of fairness. The "articles of impeachment" are a complete joke. Clinton was impeached on actual criminal charges, of which there were eleven determined by the investigation. Neither of these ridiculous charges against Trump violates any known legal standard, it's all a gigantic hoax.
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Faith 
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Message 4376 of 5796 (870506)
01-21-2020 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 4373 by JonF
01-21-2020 9:24 AM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
How did she determine that? How do YOU determine anything at all about Iranians? How do YOU have the gall to decide that Trump acted at the wrong time. Who do you think you are?

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Faith 
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Message 4379 of 5796 (870509)
01-21-2020 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 4377 by JonF
01-21-2020 9:53 AM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
Why should I care if they were "Republican" rules? But whatever rules there were the whole thing was a sham that denied the defendant any normal rights and freedoms, any normal due process, anything remotely based on our American principles. Your quote about what is required in criminal prosecutions is a good description of exactly what was denied Trump. And sorry, the belated and rigged invitation to send his lawyers is laughable. Sorry.

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Faith 
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Message 4381 of 5796 (870511)
01-21-2020 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 4380 by jar
01-21-2020 10:16 AM


Re: Basics Faith, try to learn the basics.
Unfair evil laws are to be disobeyed.
However, I don't think Trump disobeyed anything. He did challenge something in the court though I forget what.
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Faith 
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Message 4388 of 5796 (870523)
01-21-2020 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 4382 by JonF
01-21-2020 10:33 AM


Re: Trump Lies Yet Again
So there's just no way you get anything the conservatives are saying about these things, all you can do is keep repeating the Leftist line. Mayb3e that's because I'm bad at getting across the conservative point of view but whatever the reason the Leftist line gets tiresome and I end up just hoping the conservatives in the Senate can make the case that needs to be made. The House proceedings were a major sham that violated the Constitution and normal American principles of justice which are focused on the rights of the defendant; and Trump was right to stay out of it when they finally deigned to give his lawyers a few minutes to defend him.
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Faith 
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Message 4390 of 5796 (870544)
01-21-2020 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 4389 by Percy
01-21-2020 6:56 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Interesting. You skipped right over the posts of Erica Kasraie (Message 4323 and the next one). Perhaps it's silly of me to care what you'd have to say about her video anyway considering how consistent your view remains.

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Faith 
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Message 4399 of 5796 (870561)
01-22-2020 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 4397 by Percy
01-22-2020 9:16 AM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
Taking out Soleimani perhaps had the positive result of replacing him with a less adept implementer of Iranian terrorist policy, but that policy continues.
One positive development is that Iran is giving external indications that they'll be more restrained in their terrorism efforts going forward, but if true it's temporary. Before the end of the year they'll be right back at it.
Not with Trump in the White House they won't, or if they continue in secret we'll know about it and be prepared to undo their efforts. They only get away with that stuff when we have a weak appeaser like Obama in the White House. But they know Trump is ready and willing to knock out their means of terrorism. Which of course our intelligence people are keeping their eyes on and keep Trump informed about. Trump does not want to have to do any such thing so the hope is that they will not continue on their track to improving their means of aggression, but if they do Trump will be prepared to discourage them from it again.
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Faith 
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Message 4401 of 5796 (870564)
01-22-2020 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 4393 by Percy
01-22-2020 8:00 AM


Re: Trump Lies Again
That all sounds fishy to me but I'm going to have to see what the conservative sites have to say. For a while the idea was that there was a warning of the attck that allowed those on the bases to take cover in tunnels. There was some claim that the Iranians had not really aimed to cause harm because they knew the retaliation would be ferocious, and then we started hearing about this advance warning as the reason nobody was hurt.
Your report only mentions a few men injured anyway, not killed, so the main information that thousands were not harmed seems to be true.
If anyone had been killed Trump would have retaliated and that doesn't seem to have happened.
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Faith 
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Message 4402 of 5796 (870566)
01-22-2020 10:32 AM
Reply to: Message 4400 by jar
01-22-2020 10:26 AM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
The military means to discourage terriroism includes such actions as taking out Solemeini, destroying arsenals and delivery systems. Terrorism is endemic to Islamicism so the motive will always remain but we can certainly destroy some of their methods of harming people.
Trump said he has 52 targets in mind to attack if necessary. I'm sure the Islamic State took notice.
And the nonmilitary means of sanctions is no doubt a discourager too.
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Faith 
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Message 4405 of 5796 (870573)
01-22-2020 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 4404 by vimesey
01-22-2020 11:33 AM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
The jihadi commands are in the books of Islam, but that does not mean all Muslims are even aware of them or would obey them if they were. Fortunately. But the commands are there and sometimes you get Muslims of a strict mindset who feel they must obey to be good Muslims. The Ayatoallah Khomeini preached clearly that it's only cowardice and disobedience that keep Muslims from following these clear commands of Allah in the Islamic literature, and of course we know he determined to obey them himself, shich is how the Iranian Islamic State was formed in the first place. Sometimes "liberal" Muslims who ignore that part of their religion get captivated by it and become terrorists. Because the commands are there to be obeyed if anyone decides to do that.
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Faith 
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Message 4407 of 5796 (870581)
01-22-2020 1:11 PM
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01-22-2020 12:07 PM


Re: Trump's Tweet in Farsi Much "Liked" in Iran
The 52 represents the number of hostages taken in 1979.

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Faith 
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Message 4410 of 5796 (870586)
01-22-2020 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 4408 by JonF
01-22-2020 1:35 PM


Re: Another Trump failure
You obviously don't know when Trump is flattering an enemy tyrant. I'm sure he was hopeful that what he said was true but he's not stupid, he knows such a personality is not likely to hold to his promises. It's not a failure/lle at all, it's a hopeful statement designed to mollify the tyrant. That's Trump's style, it's a businessman's style.
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Faith 
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Message 4412 of 5796 (870588)
01-22-2020 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 4411 by JonF
01-22-2020 1:44 PM


Re: Another Trump failure success
Well, actually there WAS no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea even if Un goes on as usual because Trump will hold him to his promises no matter what Un does. Trump does not follow the normal patterns for these things, that's all. He's not a politician. He flatters and schmoozes the enemy and hopes for the best, but he carries a big stick.
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Faith 
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Message 4414 of 5796 (870590)
01-22-2020 1:59 PM
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01-22-2020 1:56 PM


Re: Another Trump failure success
It WAS an accomplishment. Wait and see.

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