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JonF
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Message 5671 of 5796 (874701)
04-08-2020 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 5665 by Faith
04-08-2020 10:39 AM


Re: More illegality
Ever hear the phrase "secret ballot"? They've never had any interest in bipartisanship.
What they got were people more loyal to the law than to Trump. As they swore and as they should be.
But now they are ensuring personal loyalty to Trump and scorn for the rule of law.

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JonF
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Message 5672 of 5796 (874702)
04-08-2020 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 5662 by JonF
04-08-2020 10:22 AM


Re: John Oliver on OAN misinformation idiocy
quote:
what "everybody" actually SAID was the same stuff Trump said at the beginning, oh no big deal, not to worry, etc
No. Bullshit. What the intelligence community and the CDC and Navarro and HHS and others actually said was that coronavirus was a big fucking deal. Coronavirus: All the Times Trump Was Warned About the Pandemic
Not to mention how how he's defunded and gutted any possibility of any meaningful Federal response, and run like a scared bunny from his responsibilities.
But at least we have Jared in charge of profiteering.
Once again Faith's lying is exposed, and she can't admit error.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 5673 of 5796 (874703)
04-08-2020 11:49 AM


His fault
Americans Are Paying the Price for Trump’s Failures - The Atlantic
quote:
That the pandemic occurred is not Trump’s fault. The utter unpreparedness of the United States for a pandemic is Trump’s fault. The loss of stockpiled respirators to breakage because the federal government let maintenance contracts lapse in 2018 is Trump’s fault. The failure to store sufficient protective medical gear in the national arsenal is Trump’s fault. That states are bidding against other states for equipment, paying many multiples of the precrisis price for ventilators, is Trump’s fault. Air travelers summoned home and forced to stand for hours in dense airport crowds alongside infected people? That was Trump’s fault too. Ten weeks of insisting that the coronavirus is a harmless flu that would miraculously go away on its own? Trump’s fault again. The refusal of red-state governors to act promptly, the failure to close Florida and Gulf Coast beaches until late March? That fault is more widely shared, but again, responsibility rests with Trump: He could have stopped it, and he did not.
The lying about the coronavirus by hosts on Fox News and conservative talk radio is Trump’s fault: They did it to protect him. The false hope of instant cures and nonexistent vaccines is Trump’s fault, because he told those lies to cover up his failure to act in time. The severity of the economic crisis is Trump’s fault; things would have been less bad if he had acted faster instead of sending out his chief economic adviser and his son Eric to assure Americans that the first stock-market dips were buying opportunities. The firing of a Navy captain for speaking truthfully about the virus’s threat to his crew? Trump’s fault. The fact that so many key government jobs were either empty or filled by mediocrities? Trump’s fault. The insertion of Trump’s arrogant and incompetent son-in-law as commander in chief of the national medical supply chain? Trump’s fault

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PaulK
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Message 5674 of 5796 (874704)
04-08-2020 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 5672 by JonF
04-08-2020 11:41 AM


Re: John Oliver on OAN misinformation idiocy
And just to emphasise the lying, here’s what Faith was saying a couple of weeks ago:
Message 5565
... what he called a hoax was the media's hysteria about the virus
Message 5592
Trump did think it was under control and the reason he kept emphasizing that was what he considered to be the dangerous hysteria the media were putting out
Everyone was saying oh no big deal, not to worry, etc ?

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JonF
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Message 5675 of 5796 (874708)
04-08-2020 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 5674 by PaulK
04-08-2020 11:54 AM


Re: John Oliver on OAN misinformation idiocy
To be fair, what he called a hoax was the scale of the reaction. Which scale was actually correct.
And he did think it was under control. There's questions about whether he thinks so now. But we know it wasn't and isn't.
Similarly his "I don't take responsibility at all" referred to the shortage of tests, but he's made it clear he feels no responsibility for anything other than playing golf and spreading lies about coronavirus.
Of course Faith's "what 'everybody' actually SAID was the same stuff Trump said at the beginning, oh no big deal, not to worry, etc" is true, as long as you define "everybody" as "clueless and mindless Trump supporters".
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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PaulK
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Message 5676 of 5796 (874709)
04-08-2020 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 5675 by JonF
04-08-2020 1:36 PM


Re: John Oliver on OAN misinformation idiocy
None of which changes my point. It is not possible for people to be hysterically overreacting and simultaneously playing it down as nothing to worry about.
Faith was just parroting the party line with her usual disregard for the truth.

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dwise1
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Message 5677 of 5796 (874711)
04-08-2020 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 5659 by Faith
04-07-2020 8:31 PM


Re: John Oliver on OAN misinformation idiocy
Funny how if "everybody knew it was coming" what "everybody" actually SAID was the same stuff Trump said at the beginning, oh no big deal, not to worry, etc.
You have a completely different definition of "everybody" than reality does. To you, "everybody" means the Trumpian sycophants of the Fake News Network (which includes FOX News and the talk radio hosts spreading the false claims coming from Trump). So of course they all just repeated Trump's lies about the looming pandemic and, since you listen to them instead of looking at reality, to your stunted perception it appears that "everybody" said the same stuff as Trump.
In reality, "everybody" means everybody with eyes in their heads and more than a few neurons firing inside their skulls. Everybody who would look at massive stormclouds filled with lightning approaching and could realize that they are in for a storm.
In particular, reality's everybody included medical and intelligence experts who kept trying to warn Trump about the pandemic barreling down on us. Trump chose to ignore them and to lie about the oncoming pandemic. And the Fake News Network (ie, your "everybody") just repeated Trump's lies. Lies which wasted several valuable weeks that we should have been using to prepare ourselves. Lies which have cost far too many unnecessary illnesses and deaths and will end up costing us many thousands more. Most of which could have been mitigated. Even FOX News is beginning to realize how exposed they are to wrongful death lawsuits because of the thousands of unnecessary deaths that have been and will have been caused by their spread of deadly misinformation.

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JonF
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Message 5678 of 5796 (874713)
04-08-2020 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 5677 by dwise1
04-08-2020 1:55 PM


Re: John Oliver on OAN misinformation idiocy
You missed OAN (One America News), for those who think Fox is wildly liberal. Trump loves them, and they have White House Press credentials. Their representative was kicked out by the other reporters for refusing to comply with social distancing. The White House invited her back. She's a serious contender for the nose-farthest-up-Trump's-ass award.
Mr. President, do you consider the term ‘Chinese food’ to be racist because it is food that originated from China?

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Faith 
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Message 5679 of 5796 (874715)
04-08-2020 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 5676 by PaulK
04-08-2020 1:40 PM


Re: John Oliver on OAN misinformation idiocy
It's probably a timeline matter, like the hysteria started later. Which figures. When did Pelosi make a big production out of going to Chinatown in San Francisco to prove she's not a racist or whatever her point was? Risky thing to do if the Chinese fly back and forth from China but I guess she survived.

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Faith 
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Message 5680 of 5796 (874716)
04-08-2020 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 5677 by dwise1
04-08-2020 1:55 PM


Re: John Oliver on OAN misinformation idiocy
Yeah I know that's your story and you're stickin to it but I doubt your story. And I often skip posts that accuse me of things these days like not knowing what reality is. Stuff it. And when I hear the TRUE story of how it all went down I'm sure I'll let you know. Yeah even you.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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JonF
Member (Idle past 196 days)
Posts: 6174
Joined: 06-23-2003


Message 5681 of 5796 (874717)
04-08-2020 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 5680 by Faith
04-08-2020 2:23 PM


Re: John Oliver on OAN misinformation idiocy
Way too much reality for you, amirite?
Hey, apropos of nothing in particular, was everybody saying the same things Trump was saying about coronavirus back in January or February?

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PaulK
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Message 5682 of 5796 (874718)
04-08-2020 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 5679 by Faith
04-08-2020 2:20 PM


Re: John Oliver on OAN misinformation idiocy
quote:
It's probably a timeline matter, like the hysteria started later
No, Trump was still playing it down even then. That’s what his complaints were about.
quote:
When did Pelosi make a big production out of going to Chinatown in San Francisco to prove she's not a racist or whatever her point was? Risky thing to do if the Chinese fly back and forth from China but I guess she survived.
What? Seriously the disease was not rife among Chinese-Americans.
And she did it because people were avoiding Chinatown. Without good cause. Chinatown was no worse than anywhere else.

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Faith 
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Message 5683 of 5796 (874719)
04-08-2020 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 5673 by JonF
04-08-2020 11:49 AM


Re: His fault
None of it's Trump's fault but a lot of it is the fault of State governors who spent money for other things than the supplies the hospitals wanted. Among other things blamed on Trump that are other people's faults. What, you want him to stitch masks in the White House? What, he's supposed to watch the stockpiles? What? He's not supposed to listen to the people who advise him but decide what to do about a pandemic all by himself? He's been listening to his advisers. Too bad if they've been getting things wrong. The Left twists the narrative to put Trump at fault and you buy it.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 5684 of 5796 (874720)
04-08-2020 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 5682 by PaulK
04-08-2020 2:27 PM


Re: John Oliver on OAN misinformation idiocy
No but travel to China would occur more often with them.

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Faith 
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Message 5685 of 5796 (874721)
04-08-2020 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 5682 by PaulK
04-08-2020 2:27 PM


Re: John Oliver on OAN misinformation idiocy
The idea that the complaints are ABOUT anything except finding a way to make Trump into the bad guy is laughable.

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