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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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And the "lying" you all impute to him is just not being careful about what he says.
lets go with one of the most obvious lies, one he told right to the faces of service members:
Speaking to troops at Al Asad Air Base during his surprise visit to Iraq, Trump told troops: "You protect us. We are always going to protect you. And you just saw that, 'cause you just got one of the biggest pay raises you've ever received. ... You haven't gotten one in more than 10 years. More than 10 years. And we got you a big one. I got you a big one. I got you a big one." LIE: service members have received raises every year since 1983.
They had plenty of people that came up, they said, 'You know, we could make it smaller. We could make it 3%, we could make it 2%, we could make it 4%,'" Trump told the troops about the latest pay raise. "I said, 'No. Make it 10%. Make it more than 10%. LIE: the pay increase for 2019 was 2.6% how is getting basics facts wrong simply "not being careful about what he says". He claimed he got the troops a greater than 10% raise the actual amount is much less than that, he signed the bill authorizing the 2.6% increase how did he not notice that 2.6% is less than 10%? Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
He's not careful about such facts, and that in itself is a big failing, but it's not lying. He doesn't pay close attention to particulars. He should, but he doesn't. It's not lying although I agree it's a big fault of his.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: By which you mean not caring whether something he says is true or not ? I think that is really the point.
quote: Or flat out making it up,
quote: There is a difference between missing something and finding sources which don’t list it. If you are going to argue that the charm is essential you need more than a lot of sources listing it, especially as with most of these things a 100% match isn’t needed.
quote: That is hardly surprising. I think that the shamelessness is pretty obvious. Magical thinking - how exactly was he going to get the Mexican government to pay for his Wall ? Arrogance. Trump regularly “disses” people on Twitter, often with little justification. Envy - well remember all the fuss about the Inauguration Day crowds and how annoyed he was when it was pointed out that Obama’s inauguration saw bigger crowds. Entitlement - plenty of people say that Trump is “awkward” to deal with. Exploitation - remember how upset he got about Sessions recusing himself from overseeing the Mueller enquiry ? Complaining that Sessions should be defending him ? When that isn’t the Attorney General’s job ? Bad boundaries. Remember the phone call with the President of Mexico when Trump urged the Mexican President to stop saying that Mexico wouldn’t pay for the Wall ? Because it was bad for Trump ? And when it would be politically suicidal for any Mexican politician to let people think that he might approve payments for Trump’s Wall ?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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But such charm always gives way easily to hatred of those you are buttering up when they fail to appreciate it as you would like them to, but when they do appreciate it and think you really like them then they are treated to a lot of faultfinding. Or in this case sheer hatred for my political opinions. Oh, M'lady. I will try harder to not upset your gentle constitution vis-a-vis any personal feelings. But, Love, your politics, religion, philosophy, world view are not just different from mine or different from the majority but are evil and down right dangerous to our species as a whole.
And I suppose I'm saying THIS now because I don't want to sound like I hate YOU, I just want you to stop. I will do my best. But I am who I am so I may not always succeed. Forgive me.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Self awareness is not one of your strong suits I see. Perhaps you are right. In which case you need to explain what you mean.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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He's not careful about such facts, and that in itself is a big failing, but it's not lying.
he's not lying? He claimed to their faces that he got them a greater than 10% pay raise when in fact it was much less. I can chalk up his lie about how long it's been since they got a raise to his general stupidity, but the actual amount is something he claimed to have had a personal hand in.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But, Love, your politics, religion, philosophy, world view are not just different from mine or different from the majority but are evil and down right dangerous to our species as a whole. Just say it straight and hate me honestly as everybody else here does, and leave off the "M'Love" crap. I feel very much the same about YOUR politics, philosophy and worldview, that they are sheer evil and dangerous to everything good in this world. Positively toxic and lethal in fact. Totalitarian, anti-American and fundamentally inhumane. Now, your use of the word "love" is cynicism itself. Oh gosh, you would actually say it's just the way you are? That's crap, AZ, cut it out. Oh and my views are pretty consistent with the millions who voted for Trump, not different from THAT majority. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That kind of discrepancy can't be a lie, it's too blatant.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
That kind of discrepancy can't be a lie, it's too blatant
nobody has said that he's a good liar. One of the reasons why there's so many articles about his lies is that they're easy to spot.What makes you think that he cares about how blatant his lies are? Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Oh and my views are pretty consistent with the millions who voted for Trump, not different from THAT majority.
he lost the popular vote by 3 million, not a majority.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
but I do recall that contrary to your idea that Trump is a narcissist, a main characteristic of narcissistic personality is charm.
Nope.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder Characteristics:
That's Trump to a T.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
he's getting the information from somewhere and just doesn't check it out.
The voices in his head. Either he's constantly lying or he has no connection with reality. I believe the latter.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Maybe, but it shows inability to deal with reality.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Aside from the fact that I really don't believe that, it doesn't matter either to what I'm saying or to your claim about the election.
The reason we have the Electoral College is that the popular vote is a false representation of the nature of the country. The densely populated areas all vote as one anyway, so you can count that three million and much more as one urban-centered Leftist vote. And it has nothing to do with what I was saying anyway. AZ treated my opinion as far from the majority, but in fact it represents most of those who voted for Trump.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
That kind of discrepancy can't be a lie, it's too blatant.
Incredibly blatant lies are often the most effective. But it interesting to see you arguing how incapable Trump is.
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