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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
. The contraception is more likely to fail with more times of use. If you are not sure contraception will keep you safe from pregnancy, it is less likely you will engage in extra marital sex 365 days a year. Bullshit. You fundies spout crap like this and have no evidence except what feels correct to you to back up crap like this.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Nikki Haley seems to have some skeletons in her closet. So that would be a perfect choice for the Rethugs.
Edited by Theodoric, : spellingFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Colin Powell could never be described as being a member of the Tea Party.
As for Hermann and Michael. Well there were Native Americans that participated in the genocide of their own people. That doesn't mean that there was no genocide against the Native Americans.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Herman Cain was initially quite the favorite of the Tea Party. Perhaps we should note that when calling them racists. This is no different than when a racist excuses his racism by claiming he has friends that are black. Kinja
quote: Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
The Tea Party is just a bit older than you imply here. Really?
quote: Tea Party movement - Wikipedia Now there is this
quote: But we all know that here was no Tea Party at that time and no organized groups claiming to be a Tea Party until after the 2008 election. If you have other evidence please present it and correct the historical record.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
One thign this does not mention is one the think tanks funded by the Koch Brothers had a 'Tea Party' web site out in 2002. But that is not the Tea Party as it exists now. Yes the Koch's tried to start astroturf groups many times, but there was not a Tea Party movement until 2008-2009. Also, most tea partiers will vociferously claim they are not Koch funded or an astro turf group, which completely negates the 2002 Tea Party website as part of this same movement. If the claim is to be made that the current Tea Party movement started earlier than 2008, then an argument needs to be presented showing how it evolved from the ealry Koch astroturf to the 2008-2009 protests. Just claiming there were people or groups using the name earlier doeas not mean it was or is the same movement. There was an American Republican Party from 1843-1854. It was an anti-immigrant party. Does that mean that the Republican Party of today is some how connected?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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I supported the appointment of Clarence Thomas to the SCOTUS. You did not. The ONLY reason you could possibly have for not supporting his appointment is that he is black. Did you follow the hearings at all? Do you remember any racist signs or comments by liberals during the hearings. Ever hear of Anita Hill?
Strange since I would consider myself part of the Tea Party movement. Posse Comitatus too?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Political parties and elections are much different in the US system than they are in a parliamentary system. The Dems and Repubs have so much entrenched power it will be very difficult to raise the funds necessary to be effective on their own electorally.
That being said, some observers are talking about a potential schism in the Republican party. Being a fairly well informed political observer, I think this is possible. Not likely, but very possible. The internal roilings of the party are historically reminiscent of other party schism in the past. If they do split, from the Republican Party, they are going to have to carry a fair amount of sitting reps and senators in order to have momentum to be effective. I find this the most unlikely part.(This was a prime reason for the failure of Teddy Roosevelt's Progressive (Bull Moose) Party They will attract the reps and senators with the least seniority and the least power.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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So you have nothing but attacks? Can't support the crap you post?
Typical. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Gee not only are you a geologist, but it seems you are a doctor lawyer and seer too. Oh lets add idiot too.
The treatment for most arthritis is not prescription pain killers. Rheumatoid arthritis is treated with corticosteroids and drugs like Enbrel. These are not pain meds and they are extremely expensive. Can easily run 1000 or more a month without insurance. I know from experience how crippling rheumatoid symptoms can be. That can be and was for me a manifestation of sarcoidosis. So like most right wingers you are talking out your ass. As for the niece you and we do not know the actual situation. To make the claim she must have been intoxicated is plain hateful and assholish. Even if she was, that is why people have insurance. Go crawl back under your rock.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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The company that sold him the building said they would charge him $44,000 to construct it. He shopped around for other prices, including some unions. The cost the unions bid was $66,000 - $77,000. Well I know this is not true because unions do not bid on construction projects. Want to try again?
Now, our other friend who works for the union is telling him to be careful because if the union finds out that he goes non-union, then they'll probably picket his new business. The town it's in has a lot of union workers and that could really ruin his business.
Unions do not care about or picket projects this size. No one gives a rats ass if the company that makes the building assembles it or if he hires another builder or if he does it himself. Just to pretend this is reality, have the company that sold him the building build it. Anything else would be plain stupid. That way everything is warrantied by the original seller. They cannot claim the builder is responsible and vice versa
We asked: "Well, can't he just build it himself?" Isn't a man allowed to build his own building on his own property without the union bullying him? They said that that would probably be okay. Then I said, well what if I helped him out for free? We're family. Can't a guy and his family build a building? Hmm, probably still okay. (Geez, I can't believe we have to get permission for this). We went further: what if we have a non-family friend that helps for free. "Hmm, that's probably pushing it, they said". This is all more bullshit. People build their own buildings and houses every day. The problem you have is not with unions it is with local building codes and financing when you do a self build. So all your anecdotes are pure bullshit with no basis in reality.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Do you even understand the argument you tried to make originally?
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Three different unions gave him numbers on how much it would cost him to hire them to construct his building. Maybe "bid" isn't the right word. Wrong again. Unions have nothing to do with the pricing of jobs. Unions do not do the building. Union members do, but they are employees of contractors that use union labor. So your anecdote is still bullshit. Want to try again?
Well geez, who do I believe? My friend Amanda who works in the union office down the road and who was talking to me face to face in my cousin's house, along with my friend Tony who is in a union and explained that if they told him to picket then he would regretfully have to join in and picket his own friend as he doesn't have a choice.... or do I believe some random jerk on the internet? More bullshit. What union? Again unions do not care about a project this size.. There is no money in a 70k project to be worth the effort. Reality and common sense.
No, neither of those things are a problem.
Have you ever built a building or had one built.
I suppose its possible that the conversation I just had in real life face-to-face with people that I've known for year and work for a union was all just a dream, or something. You talk like Union is some big monolithic group that controls everything. What union do your friends work for? There are many unions and many reasons for them.
We're looking for something cheaper. The unions came up as a joke because their pricing was so ridiculous. Well you know what happens when you go with the lowest bid. Again, UNIONS DO NOT PRICE JOBS OR BID ON PROJECTS. That would be the contractor or builder who may be using union labor. So this part of your story is either bullshit or you misunderstand the specifics and reality of the situation. That non-unionized contractors are cheaper than unionized contractors is not born out by the data. Here is one study. http://www.ijeme.org/paperInfo.aspx?PaperID=4763Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
I just think its funny that you have to get the union's permission to build your own building on your own property so you can be comfortable that they're not going to try to ruin your new business. But this is not true. If it were it would be extortion, which is a federal offense. They would be within their rights to informational picket a place that is using non-union labor. They would not be within their rights to picket a place that is self built. When was the last time you saw an informational picket?
I don't think its ever a good thing to force people into participating in a program through threat of punishment.
What do you think the whole system of laws are? I guess parents shouldn't have to make their kids go to school. Your argument has now gone to ridiculous.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9203 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Here are more studies showing that the idea that Unions or prevailing wage drive up costs is bullshit.
http://constructionacademy.org/...n-industry/prevailing-wageFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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