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Message 1252 of 1485 (711630)
11-20-2013 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1251 by AZPaul3
11-20-2013 5:50 PM


Re: Citizens United does suck, but ...
Not just emotion but many other ways, for example if Congress does not do their duty but rather packs the court for political reasons.

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Message 1256 of 1485 (711653)
11-21-2013 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1255 by AZPaul3
11-21-2013 2:12 AM


Re: dark money
The real solution is to build an informed and educated electorate, particularly in the Classic sense of those terms.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 1260 of 1485 (711713)
11-21-2013 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1259 by AZPaul3
11-21-2013 12:59 PM


Re: dark money
Also not true.
Papal infallibility is very limited.

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Message 1266 of 1485 (711743)
11-21-2013 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1265 by NoNukes
11-21-2013 8:09 PM


Re: Cover me, Koch Inc., I'm gonna take that hill.
The individual should be able to speak. The corporation should have no voice.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 1268 of 1485 (711745)
11-21-2013 8:50 PM
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11-21-2013 8:35 PM


Re: Cover me, Koch Inc., I'm gonna take that hill.
But the Constitution does not say that corporations have a voice. The SCOTUS found that corporations were individuals. The Scotus can find that corporations are not individuals and have no voice.
I think that is actually the ONLY option and hope avialable.
The Scotus have a job for life. They are the least likely to be influenced by Corporate America. To rely on amendment or legislation is too late.

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Message 1270 of 1485 (711747)
11-21-2013 9:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1269 by AZPaul3
11-21-2013 9:38 PM


Re: Cover me, Koch Inc., I'm gonna take that hill.
No, Congress is limited except through the Amendment process, but not the SCOTUS.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 1273 of 1485 (711751)
11-21-2013 10:23 PM
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11-21-2013 10:10 PM


Re: Cover me, Koch Inc., I'm gonna take that hill.
Limiting speech is just a side effect. What they decide is that corporations are not individuals and so have no rights of free speech.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 1275 of 1485 (711754)
11-21-2013 10:48 PM
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11-21-2013 10:34 PM


Re: Cover me, Koch Inc., I'm gonna take that hill.
I think it is actually the only hope the US has from continuing down the path towards Corporate Fascism.
I don't see it happening but do believe it is more possible than either the Amendment route or the Legislative route.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 1278 of 1485 (711763)
11-22-2013 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1276 by AZPaul3
11-22-2013 12:03 AM


Re: Cover me, Koch Inc., I'm gonna take that hill.
Of course I know how unlikely it would be but I also know that when the court says they might consider something cases can be found or manufactured and the process fast tracked.
However I think that there have been enough examples of government meddling with free speech since the Reagan coup to justify such acts.
But I have long said I believe the US has already passed the point of peaceful return.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 1282 of 1485 (711780)
11-22-2013 10:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1279 by AZPaul3
11-22-2013 9:49 AM


Re: Amendment XXVIII
I think there might be another even more possible amendment that simply makes the sole source of funding public funds.
Any candidate for any federal office that can gather a set number of signatures will be eligible for a set amount of public funds and all political advertising air time will be at no charge.

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Message 1285 of 1485 (711794)
11-22-2013 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1283 by AZPaul3
11-22-2013 10:26 AM


Re: Cover me, Koch Inc., I'm gonna take that hill.
Correction: SCOTUS, by judicial temperament and ethics, cannot solicit cases. It can only select from those cases that have been brought to it on appeal from the circuit courts. Only the Solicitor General and a state (either its supreme court or attorney general) can request expedited appeal (bypassing the circuit courts) and that only happens if the court agrees and issues a writ of summons.
I did not say solicit; but the judges are still public figures and speak even if off record or on a golf course.
AZPaul3 writes:
jar writes:
However I think that there have been enough examples of government meddling with free speech since the Reagan coup to justify such acts.
Oh good. Another issue to digest. Explain, please. Start with the "coup" part.
In the late seventies the Religious Right in the US set forth a plan to increase there voice and influence in the US under the guise of "The Moral Majority" (an oxymoron at best). They had three main targets, school boards, governorships and one of the major political parties. The Republican party looked far easier to take over and in fact they succeeded.
The first step was in California where they managed to elect an actor governor who proceeded to demolish the best education system in the nation and push through a few key initiatives that made it nearly impossible to fund the state.
The next step was to use Reagan as a way to capture the Republican party. Now in the past the Republican party had been split between a moderately liberal wing lead by Nelson Rockefeller and a moderately conservative wing lead by Barry Goldwater. The Reagan faction did a great job of portraying both as liberal and near commies. They were so far to the right that they really did make Goldwater look like a flaming liberal, but the actor was a great communicator and the Moral Majority great manipulators.
The there was the Iran Hostage incident and each even the news started with "Day x of the Crisis"
In reality there was no crisis, the so called hostages were not in real danger and even had they been it was not a major threat to the US. Iran was smart enough to understand the limits involved in the concept of diplomacy and that actually harming the diplomats would be see by all nations as a major threat including all of their allies.
But it was useful and Reagan wanted it continued as long as possible. (search Iran Contra).
Reagan won in a landslide and began the process of dismantling government, removing Constitutional Rights and turning the US into an oligarchy.
Since then the Republican faction has succeeded in:
removing the Fairness Doctrine
removing the limits on media outlet ownership
removing the Chinese Wall between news and advertising
erasing the distinction reporting and editorial comment
defunding Public Broadcasting
and a whole host and laundry list of other steps that limited free speech and created a population that can actually consider programs like 60 Minutes as "News".

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 1288 of 1485 (711799)
11-22-2013 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1287 by Coyote
11-22-2013 11:53 AM


Re: Cover me, Koch Inc., I'm gonna take that hill.
Yup, old age I guess and I was even living out there at the time.
Thanks.
Make it 60s.

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jar
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Message 1324 of 1485 (753964)
03-23-2015 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1323 by 1.61803
03-23-2015 4:04 PM


Re: Ted Cruz has tweeted!
A twit tweeting. Laugh and a half.

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jar
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Message 1372 of 1485 (754250)
03-25-2015 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1370 by Faith
03-25-2015 3:27 PM


try actually learning Faith
Faith writes:
Yes I've been corrected a number of times about being born in the US But being born in Kenya of a Kenyan father does disqualify Obama from the Presidency and you are all lying about that.
Well no, Faith, in the real world that would not disqualify Obama even if it were true as long as his mother was a US citizen.

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Message 1375 of 1485 (754257)
03-25-2015 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 1374 by Faith
03-25-2015 5:24 PM


Re: try actually learning Faith
Faith writes:
This is one of the arguments here, but only one. If it's true then there's no problem with Ted Cruz's candidacy so why is anyone making an issue of that?
The issue with Ted Cruz is that he is a total idiot and willfully ignorant. Folk need to be crazy to vote for or even hire anyone like him.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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