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Jon Inactive Member |
As long as your not born black or have a black wife or a dubious Muslim name your good. Of course none of those things stopped Barack Obama from becoming President, so...Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Reports are that Trump is already on the case:
Trump brings birther charge against Cruz Potentially being Canadian is overshadowed by all the real reasons he shouldn't be President. Like his promise to get rid of the IRS. I guess he's not aware of where government officials' salaries come from. Or he and his pals are just too rich to care...Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member
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So it is embarrassing and disappointing how sitting senators and congressmen joined in the "birther" stupidity along with the wingnut crazies. Not half as embarrassing as the fact that those senators and congressmen got their seats by being elected.
Could it of been because they are racist or because they are really that ignorant? How about just ignorant racist. Probably. Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
No.
It's really just 'cause they're all racists. And republicans.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Grandmother said so. Other Kenyan relatives said so. I'm genuinely intrigued to see this evidence, Faith. If you've already presented, my apologies for asking you to do so again. But if you haven't, it'd be great to examine this in detail. I think citizens have a legitimate interest in knowing whether their politicians are qualified for their offices or not. If there's real evidence here, it's worth discussing and not simply brushing it off.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Thanks.
I watched those videos. I'm not sure if there's anything in them that really addresses where Obama was born. For example, the one video about his grandmother shows her calling Obama a "son" of their village. Well and good, but the damning evidence is their claim that she says she was present at his birth. Yet she is never shown saying that anywhere. You'd think the nail in the coffin would make it on the tape; having the assertion just flash on screen doesn't give much credibility to the claim. The mailman's nuts. His reaction to little things is overly dramatic. And I think most white folks would call a black person named Obama a foreigner regardless of where they were born. The video that claims Obama said he was born in Kenya, similar to the video involving his grandmother, never show any video or writings in which Obama says such a thing. So where did he say he was born in Kenya? So even if his story is entirely true, it doesn't really provide much evidence that Obama was born outside the U.S.
Note that in the first video the news announcer casually calls the Kenya village Obama's "home village." I don't know enough about his life history, so it is hard for me to know what the significance is of that. I, for instance, do not refer to the city where I was born as my hometown. Maybe there's something different going on here; I don't know where Obama spent all the early years of his life. And in any case, the reporter could simply be wrong. Edited by Jon, : No reason given. Edited by Jon, : No reason given. Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member
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I guess you can think his grandmother was speaking metaphorically of an honorary status or you can believe the narrator who claims she was speaking literally of his actual birth. Even if we believe the narrator's translation of what his grandmother is videotaped saying, it's the stuff she's not on tape saying that is the most important of her supposed statements.
The mailman didn't "call" Obama a foreigner, he said Mary Ayers called him a "foreign student" they were helping through Harvard. All the same. Plenty of U.S. citizens get called foreigners for whatever reason. Such remarks can hardly be counted for much. And even if the Ayers really did think Obama was an official foreigner, they could have just been wrong.
And that's just too specific and important a piece of information for a publishing company to allow to stand in an advertisement for a publication they are planning. What publications?
But OK, there's enough ambiguity to be inconclusive. The real thing is that there is no official evidence countering the official evidence. Let me give you a personal example to illustrate my concerns here. Hardly anyone I know would describe me as being from the town I was actually born inincluding my parents. It is a technicality, and the technicality is of little meaning to people in their day-to-day conversations. The only time I ever bring up the city I was born in is on forms where the information is required, otherwise I always tell people I am from my hometown, and the people in my hometown would be perfectly right in claiming me as one of their own. But that technicality still exists, and if I ever needed to be born in the town I was born in to qualify for something, I would technically qualify, regardless of all the other things surrounding where I'm from. And what evidence do I have for being born in that town? A birth certificate and a newspaper clipping. And that's often all there is... JonLove your enemies!
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