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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
we were talking about the your claim of a darwinist belief system and here you go with the racism already, you sister f*****g hillbillies just can't keep it hidden can you? Do they even have hillbillies in Australia? I know you atheists get all bent out of shape when I label you all together, so why do you do it to Christians? #FoodForThoughtChance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ISIS? I don't think that fits. The Christians I hang with are never violent...either to gays or abortion clinics. They mainly feed the homeless and do outreaches at the local park with some laid back music.
You may consider exclusivist preaching as militant, but that's because you live in this secular humanist PC world. Inclusivism is the in thing these days.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
While I realize that its badf form to use "The Book" to prove "The Book" I will bring up a common apologist argument in defense of The Good Book. Allow Me.....
Rom 1:18-25 writes:
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man -- and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. 24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.NKJV ringo writes:
The only evidence that we have for the book is what is written and recorded over the years. The jury is out concerning specific authors and the motives of said authors, but speculations are allowed for the purposes of this hearing. In addition, I submit that the Believers themselves are evidence for some effects claimed from the God within the book via the Holy Spirit. One side would say Spiritual Impartation while the other side would call it Mass Delusion. There is always a default position: No unicorns without evidence for unicorns, no spooks without evidence for spooks. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
The book is only attacking anyone who outright rejects the possibility of God and who flaunts their freedom in a flesh driven manner. We could go there, but Stile is the topic originator and (he)seems a very nice atheist, so I wont start anything.
Keep in mind that one side believes the book to be inspired by this God Whom we cant seem to be able to objectively prove to your satisfaction.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
All of them? I have seen some rather inspiring sermons...perhaps we can start a new topic on Inspired Sermons and you can attempt to debunk the logic of them.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Sara Bellum, to GDR writes: I would say that it is certainly possible. But I think I understand GDRs point.
You're not going to look at the examples I gave you, of complexity coming from non-intelligent simplicity and then say, "Oh, but these other things couldn't possibly have simple foundations"? Are you?AZPaul3 replying to GDR writes: What specific evidence? Frame the basic issue. The issue is knowing or not knowing whether or not an intelligent Creator exists or could exist. I would submit that Romans 1:18-28 represents the Faith based position fairly adequately. Humans themselves are both simple and complex. We were the first animals to have empathy, yet also the first animals to become aware of the possibility of God and the freedom to reject Him and to attempt to understand reality without Him. Some would call this progress, but (yes, Tangle ) the Jury is still out. Lets look at the simplicity (or complexity) of words and of word definitions, shall we?
So your personal incredulity is your argument against the weight of evidence?Stile writes: I have told everyone before about my philosophy regarding such things. I grew up knowing About God. Everyone can share this same reality, be they atheists who view God as a human mythological construct or be they sheep in one of many fields globally. And yes, we are contrasting belief and knowledge here, but an apologist would submit the idea that Romans 1:18-28 is inspired and explains a world view that was quite educated for the times it was written in. We first start with the assumption that it is possible for us to know anything about the existance we find ourselves in. We then take what data we can find and analyze it. Stile writes: The bottom line is that we are each responsible for the world view that we choose to form. We are not slaves either to faith or to evidence...we can freely use and apply one or both to our individual world views.
I don't simply have a lack of belief in God. I know that God doesn't exist. And I think that my basis is rational.Stile writes: And I would argue that the Bible is data for some. Choice is always our right and our responsibility. I am saying that the statement "I know that God does not exist" is equivalent to the statement "I know that drinking water is good for us."Lots of people can disagree if they'd like... but they are both based on all the data that we have available to us. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
AZPaul3 writes: Which leads me down several rabbit trails, as I too have a different idea on "the discussion" and what specifically we are collectively trying to express.
I had a different idea on the discussion.While the particles may be too complex for our complete understanding of their individual properties, as “simple” building blocks left to their combined influences and forces, even more complex macro-structures come into being pretty much all on their own. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Which then leads to the question (and/or presumption) that the Bible has a specific intended purpose.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: Ahhh yes. Money makes the world go around, the world go around, the world go around. The vast majority of good that I do for people is through my taxes. I would argue that human empathy (and action) go a lot further than mere tax dollars or spare change in the collection plate. I concede, however, that I am taking us off topic.
Americans give more because they have more, not because they're more religious. I observe that Americans seem to prefer throwing money at problems rather than getting personally involved.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Perhaps if one does not believe that God exists then the Bible does not have an intended purpose. Its like Stile *knowing* that God does not exist. He accepted the evidence and thus allows himself to know.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Complexity is not evidence of intelligent origin. If it were, intelligence itself would have to have an intelligence existing before it to develop it, which is a contradiction. It is only a contradiction if you assume as fact the idea that human intelligence is the origin of creativity and definition.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
well if so, that answers the argument of Who Made God. People always ask where God came from. God Himself could say that such a question assumes a necessary contradiction.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
GDR, replying to AZPaul3 writes:
I don't accept that I wouldn't be able to accept the atheistic position. I am frankly, while acknowledging that I could be wrong, saying that to me the atheistic position makes no sense. I remember one of the outspoken atheists stating that he simply didn't like the idea of God. (Dawkins I think.)I suggest that maybe you are unable to overcome your emotional make up and hold your position because you can't accept the other possibility.AZPaul3 writes: The bible clearly says that not everyone will accept the belief--in fact, a minority will accept the belief and a majority will reject it or be uninfluenced nor persuaded by it. I cannot speak for anyone else but myself, but I changed abruptly and continually over the years. Leprechauns and Big Foots simply dont have the same effect on people. There are few if any convinced followers of either...apart from an odd offshoot such as the flat earth society. Christianity alone has many millions of people who can vouch for a spiritual epiphany and awareness of God that simply was not there before.
The other argument to be made is that the wholesale lack of even the most minimal evidence in favor of a god proposal, after thousands of years and so many brains and so much activity in looking for any at all, has become its own set of data points against the proposal. GDR,commenting about ringo writes: ringo has a valid argument that he desperately needed to grab. Perhaps he figures that if God is unnecessary his own personal beliefs are thus logical. I cant pretend to know how any of you think or how you process belief---but it seems that evidence is required before you will believe anything. Not a bad survival trait, but a stumbling block on the path to Christ. You claim that you have evidence that we got from there to here through mindless random processes without any intelligent involvement.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Touche!
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18353 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Even within the church, a minority are actually honorable. This is likely true in any group that you examine sociologically.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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