I Know That God Does Not Exist

They "found" Cold Fusion.They looked for, and did not find, the Luminiferous Ether.We know there is no Cold Fusion.We know there is no Luminiferous Ether.Your thinking on this issue is simply not rational.

1. We're not talking about belief.
2. I'm still waiting for you to point out what's irrational about the idea of a deity.

One particular method didn't work. We don't know that there will never be another method that works. So it is possible to prove that some things don't exist. That doesn't mean that failing to find something always proves it doesn't exist. You simply don't understand what rational means.

You'd be dead.And without God there would be no universe. The Bible's God of course.

I could see the argument (from "ya'lls perspective) that anything without objective evidence is by definition irrational. From my perspective, God is rational because if the initial ways that I experienced His presence. Of course, critics could say that it was just my imagination.Belief in general is without objective evidence. To me this makes sense...if in fact people were meant to freely choose to accept or reject the impression.

But belief on the basis of faith is not a rational decision.Of course, people do many things on a non-rational basis, from choosing a favorite music to deciding what gift to give someone for a birthday. . .

Why do you say I would be dead without a soul? The heart pumps, the brain neurons fire, the adrenals secrete hormones all from physical processes. Why would these stop if my (alleged) soul were to suddenly vanish?

Michelson and Morley looked for the Luminiferous Ether and did not find it. It's not there.At least we got you to admit that you can demonstrate that something isn't there by looking for it and not finding it.

The problem is that if someone says their deity somehow interacts with us, it's easy to test and show that nothing's happening; and if they say their deity doesn't pay any attention to us, then there's nothing to talk about.

At least you agree that belief in a deity is irrational! I believe I've also shown that the idea of a deity itself (how, precisely, is having an idea of a deity different from believing in a deity?) is irrational, in earlier posts. And you haven't responded.But anyway, let's continue. One idea of a deity is an omnipotent, omniscient being that gives humans free will. That's a contradiction (irrational) in terms. We can flip a coin and say it's random - we have no control over whether it lands heads or tails. We can offer a dog two brands of dog food and see which one the dog chooses, saying the dog has the free will to choose.But an omnipotent, omniscient being flipping a coin knows what will come up. Such a being would also know what choice a dog, or cat, or human or anything would make, because a human is no more complex to an omnipotent, omniscient being than a flipped coin.By the way, how could a deity "rest" (like on the seventh day). Being omnipotent, the deity would consider a day of work no more tiring than a day of doing nothing, hence there would be no "resting".You get the idea: irrational!

That may be your position.Now let's see you defend your position...

Sure. It means your god doesn't exist.Because something which is not detectable (and will never be detected) is no different from something that doesn't exist.A difference that makes no difference is not a difference.

And yet some people claim to detect it.(Him) Just because they lack objective evidence is no reason to dismiss their claims. If they were simply psychotic they would have no valid arguments. Granted many of us don't but some arguments are worthy of further investigation. Why is it you refuse to fill in ringos blanks? Are you so cocksure of your position that you refuse to entertain philosophical ones which lack objective evidence? As long as I'm on this forum I wont allow the likes of Stile, jaer, and/or you to frame the basis for any faith based claim. You can run, but you can't hide.

I am the one who claimed that you all thought similar, but ringo has not yet admitted that belief is irrational, has he? I admitted that *you* believed it to be so. Resting means reflecting. Any good artist pauses to reflect on what they have made. Just because God has an infinitely fast super computer of a brain (according to some definitions of Him) does not mean that He is not allowed to reflect. He mirrors the perfection that He desires w obtain. Have any of us created something that is good? Which then further leads into the philosophical problem of evil, addressed in my other topic at the Open Theism thread.

That is precisely the reason to reject their claims. Not without any evidence to give credence to the claim. No. Say "yes" Sarah. Say "yes". Feeling your oats are you?As long as I'm on this forum I won't allow you to make any faith based claim without objective evidence to back it up. I eat oatmeal too.{Not really. I'm not going to follow you around but you know the spirit.}Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.