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Topic: I Know That God Does Not Exist
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1857 of 3207 (860235)
08-06-2019 11:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 1839 by Stile
08-06-2019 9:02 AM
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Stile writes: We don't have to look for God at all - because the idea has no connection to reality.
How do you know the idea has no connection to reality unless you look for a connection to reality?
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1858 of 3207 (860236)
08-06-2019 11:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 1840 by Stile
08-06-2019 9:12 AM
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Stile writes: You can't know anything at all.
I can know how to bake a cake. I can demonstrate to your satisfaction and anybody else's that I know it. You can no more demonstrate that you "know" God exists than Faith can demonstrate that she "knows" He does.
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes: Now you're trying to go back and change what you claim you said.
Nonsense. Put up or shut up.
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1860 of 3207 (860238)
08-06-2019 12:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 1856 by Faith
08-06-2019 11:56 AM
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Faith writes: By studying the same scientific texts. What else?
Scientists don't get their knowledge from studying texts. They get it from studying evidence. they write the texts. And they get Nobel prizes by overthrowing the status quo. It's just utterly absurd to suggest that they all have the same biases which prevent them from seeing your "truth".
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1862 of 3207 (860241)
08-06-2019 12:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 1861 by Stile
08-06-2019 12:13 PM
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Stile writes: Same as for anything else: Those claiming that the idea has a connection to reality need to show that connection to reality.
That wasn't the question. If nobody was claiming a connection to reality, how would you know whether there was a connection to reality?
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1864 of 3207 (860243)
08-06-2019 12:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 1863 by Stile
08-06-2019 12:19 PM
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Stile writes: I agree you can know how to bake a cake
Then you can stop saying that I can't know anything.
Stile writes: It's demonstrated like this: There is no connection from the imagination of God to reality.
That's not a demonstration. That should be fairly obvious since there is no connection to reality. there is no cake.
Stile writes: Just provide the connection from imagination to reality for God and it all goes away.
Again, you're the one making a positive claim that the negative is true. The onus is on you to back up your claim.
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1870 of 3207 (860250)
08-06-2019 12:35 PM
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Reply to: Message 1866 by Stile
08-06-2019 12:28 PM
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Stile writes: Only if you stop saying you can't know negative things.
You've already admitted that I can know something. I will not admit that you can "know" a negative in the same way. So no.
Stile writes: If you can't know negative things, then you can't know positive things either...
Nonsense.
Stile writes: It is a demonstration.
You keep demanding a connection to reality. Now you show one. You can't just wave your magic wand and pull the curtain away and say, "Voila! Elephants don't exist." That is not a demonstration of reality.
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah writes: I've done all the explaining.
Liar. I've asked you to explain the logic errors in the idea of God. You steadfastly refuse to do so. You're the one who's dodging.
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes: Sorry kid, "nonsense" isn't an argument.
It wasn't intended to be, grandma. Why don't you answer the questions I ask you?
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1879 of 3207 (860262)
08-06-2019 12:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 1874 by Stile
08-06-2019 12:40 PM
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Stile writes: Knowledge is based on the information available to us.
Exactly. It is not based on the information that is not available. You can say, "I don't know X," because of a lack of information. You can not say, "I know not-X," because of a lack of information. Lack of information determines what we don't know, not what we do know.
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes: You are a Christian, aren't you?
No.
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Sarah Bellum writes: I've answered everything in great detail.
You have not answered this: What are the logical errors in the idea of God? 1. _____________. 2. _____________. 3. _____________.
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1883 of 3207 (860266)
08-06-2019 12:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 1880 by Stile
08-06-2019 12:48 PM
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Stile writes: The reality is: There is no connection between the imagination of God and reality.
Demonstrate it. Failure to find it is not a demonstration. It's a lack of demonstration.
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1885 of 3207 (860268)
08-06-2019 12:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 1884 by Stile
08-06-2019 12:54 PM
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Stile writes: Are you saying we have no available information?
That's what you're saying. We've looked but we found nothing.
Stile writes: Are you saying people haven't irrationally searched for God for thousands of years and found nothing?
I'm saying they have rationally searched and some of them have found.
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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ringo
Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 1887 of 3207 (860270)
08-06-2019 1:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 1886 by Stile
08-06-2019 1:00 PM
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Re: No evidence = irrational
Stile writes: Again - knowledge is not absolute.
And lack of knowledge is not knowledge. Same error again.
"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns"
-- Woody Guthrie
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