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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
No. They could have searched rationally without finding a rational link.
If someone rationally searched for God's existence - please inform us of the rational link between God and reality.Without that, it was an irrational search. Stile writes:
No. Even if the God they found fails all rational tests, that does not mean the search was irrational. And if they found God - please inform us of the rational tests that show God's existence.Without that, it was an irrational claim. For example, people searched for centuries for the Northwest Passage. Was the search that discovered the Great Lakes and the Mississippi River irrational? If you think so, explain why. Since the tests they performed (looking for an outlet to the Pacific) failed, does that mean the search was irrational? If you think so, explain why. And of course, the Northwest Passage turned out to be real, though practically impassible."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
You are. You're claiming that because we have not found it, it doesn't exist. And no one is making a claim on lack-of-knowedge."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
That's what I've been saying all along.
The search's rationality depends on the reasoning to do the search. Stile writes:
There doesn't need to be a link before you do the search. The whole point of the search is to see if there is a link.
If you do a search simply because "I want to find something" - this is irrational. There is no link to reality from the imagination. Stile writes:
Not at all. I've said the exact opposite: The reasoning does not depend on the premises being true.
You seem to be focusing on the search being rational because one accepts the premise. Stile writes:
That's not a fact. Rationality does not depend on reality. You cannot avoid the fact that "to be rational" God requires a link from imagination to reality. I can say that if A is true then B must be true. There is nothing irrational about that statement even if A has no connection to reality."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
That's just lame schoolboy semantics. I'm not claiming that because we have not found God - therefore God does not exist.I am claiming that I know God does not exist. "Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
I said that shooting down one or two ideas of God has no effect on the whole idea of God. You are agreeing, aren't you, that all those are irrational? You did write that I shot them down, didn't you? I repeat that you don't seem to understand what rational means. If you did, you could answer my question honestly: What are the logical errors in the idea of God?"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
I have responded to every one of your posts. I have answered every question that you asked me. On one occasion, you said you would answer my question if I answered yours first - but you never answered mine. Why do you keep refusing to read and respond to my posts?"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
Your bias is showing. Good for you! And it's not the only foolish mistake you've made in this thread. Maybe you can redeem yourself by answering my question: What are the logical errors in the idea of God?"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
That would be your problem, not mine. You have declared the idea of God to be irrational without any clear understanding of what the idea is. Your arguments have been strawmen. Before you can decide whether or not there is a deity, you have to decide what a deity is."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
You're answering my posts. You're not answering my question: List the logical errors in the idea of God. Well, at least you're not pretending that I'm not answering your posts, like ringo is."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
I think I have. I think I gave an example. Here it is again:
If you claim that my understanding of the idea is not clear, then you really ought to try to make it clear. Suppose I said, "If a four-legged object is a coffee table, then my dog is a coffee table." That statement is rational even if the premise is inaccurate and the conclusion is absurd. On the other hand, suppose I said, "If a four-legged object is a coffee table, then coffee comes from Brazil." That statement is irrational because the conclusion doesn't follow from the premise. Even if the conclusion is true, the logic is wrong. Are you with me so far? If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Now for homework, answer my question: What are the logical errors, if any, in the idea of God?"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
I didn't say it was rational. I asked you to show that it's irrational. I'm still waiting. So how about telling me why you think the idea of god (any particular one, you choose, if you wish) is rational? Edited by ringo, : No reason given."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
Unbiased would be arguing in favor of an idea I don't believe in. Bias? If not adhering to any of these superstitions after 9/11, the Northern Irish Troubles, the persecution of the Rohingya, the pogroms and, of course, the Final Solution, is bias then what do you call unbiased?"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
You're grasping at straws. I didn't "insist" on anything. My intent was to say that you addressed a tiny fraction of the problem. Even if your arguments had any value, they were equivalent to using a teaspoon to empty the ocean. You insisted that I was "shooting down one or two ideas of God"."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
That doesn't make any sense at all. Why would arguing in favor of something you don't believe in be unbiased? I would think it would be the exact opposite of unbiased?"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
I said it can be. I gave you an example.
So an incorrect argument is irrational, according to you. Sarah Bellum writes:
Of course.
But couldn't someone make an error in a carefully reasoned argument? Sarah Bellum writes:
If there was an error in reasoning, it would be irrational. That's what the words mean. Would that argument then be irrational, or just incorrect? A "correct" or "incorrect" conclusion has nothing to do with whether or not the argument is rational."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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