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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
You're still confusing wrong with irrational. Like the idea of horoscopes or poltergeists or lucky rabbit's feet (not so lucky for the rabbit, was it?) the idea of god is simply irrational."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
Don't be stupid. I have participated more than you have. You're the one who refuses to answer a simple question. Ah, so you're just watching, not participating in the discussion. That explains a lot."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
Anybody who has read the thread can see that that isn't true. You're saying "Even if your arguments had any value" as if you'd explained why you disagreed with those arguments. Since you haven't . . ."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
That's what I've been asking you. Why do you refuse to answer? How does one decide if an idea itself is irrational? You have made the positive claim that the idea of God is irrational. It is up to you to back up that claim. So how do you decide if an idea itself is irrational?
Sarah Bellum writes:
Since I've been saying the same thing all along, maybe we can hope that you are finally making some progress. You're making progress."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
Northwest Passage. There was no link until there was. The idea was never irrational. It was never irrational to think that a link would/might be found. It was never correct to say, "I know the Northwest Passage doesn't exist."
If there's no link - then it's irrational to suggest that the search is going to turn up something that will overturn the current conclusion of "I know that God does not exist." Stile writes:
No. The lack of a link is never a given. Can you agree that, given no link to reality, the reasoning for the search for God has no bearing on the reasoning of whether or not God actually exists?"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
Nobody on this forum is more vehemently opposed to absolutes than I am. If you want to suggest that knowledge should be considered absolute - you can make your case."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
I said, "You're still confusing wrong with irrational." You can't seriously be claiming that horoscopes are rational?Horoscopes are certainly wrong - i.e. not based on reality. But that does not make the idea irrational. That's a separate issue. If you want to claim that something is irrational, you have to show how it is irrational. You have to show the errors in reasoning. Showing that the conclusion is true doesn't cut it. Your math teacher requires you to show your work."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
Anybody who reads the thread can see that that isn't true. You're the one who refuses to answer questions. Your "participation" has mostly been to claim that answers you've been provided haven't been provided."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
You're a fine one to talk. You thought I was a Christian. Yes, people do read these threads. You should try it some time."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Sarah Bellum writes:
I'm underlining the fact that you refuse to answer my question. That question is: What are the LOGICAL errors in the idea of God? Why do you expect an answer different from the ones you've already been provided? It took you a very long time to repeat the question to me and you still seem reluctant to discuss it."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
As you said yourself in another post, rational just means logical. What does the logic have to do with a link to reality?
Please explain how the search for the North West Passage was rational if there was no link from imagination to reality. Stile writes:
Not until they found it. Remember that they searched around the Mississippi River before they moved farther north.
Did they not know "an unknown amount of ice/islands exists up north?" Stile writes:
But that isn't true. Did they not know that "previous amount of ice/islands have generally had a path through them, eventually?""Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
I haven't done any such thing. Then stop implying that knowledge is invalid if it's not based on absolutes."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
Tell it to Sarah.
I've said this many times - an imaginary idea can be rational (logical) on it's own. Stile writes:
Do we?
We know that for things to exist, there is a logical link between the imagination and reality. Stile writes:
No. They didn't know that. They sailed all around central North America and found nothing but more central North America. It would have been quite valid to conclude that "probably" (most likely) there was no passage. But they didn't "know" there was no passage. So... from previous experience they knew "as long as we sail around long enough - we've always found a way through before.""Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
I haven't done any such thing. Then I'm glad you agree with me completely."Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Stile writes:
You have already agreed that rational means logical. So why don't you understand that the logic does not depend on the inputs?
If you don't think so - just name one we know to exist that does not have a link from imagination to reality. Stile writes:
Because the logic has nothing to do with whether it exists or not. There can't be any "indication" that it exists unless you look. How is it logical to search for something that has no indication it might exist in the first place?"Come all of you cowboys and don't ever run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns" -- Woody Guthrie
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