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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Believe it or not there is often more than one side to any such story. There are at least three sides: your side, our side, and the facts. SOP is to compare the different sides with the facts in order to see which side aligns more closely with the facts. So what do the comparisons show here? It is our side that aligns with the facts, because we formed our side by observing the facts. Your side conflicts with the facts because it was crafted to deny and to lie about the facts.
You believe your version, I believe mine, until further notice, having no reason to believe otherwise yet. Well, if you were to observe the facts, then you would be able to change your mind. For example, do you still believe that the Mueller report exonerated Trump? You were fooled to believe that because that's the lie that Trump and your right-wing commentators kept telling you. We knew from the start that that was not true, because we actually read what was written both in the report itself and in the portion directly quoted by Barr in his four-page summary misrepresentation of the report. IOW, the facts.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
DWise1 writes:
I have no reason to take your account as the truth, you know -- it doesn't read like anything more than gossipy opinion really. There's the case I heard of on the radio (sorry, when I'm driving I can't write down names) of a young US citizen in Texas carrying with him all the documentation he should have ever needed to prove his citizenship (something that brown people in Texas routinely have to do in response to Trump's abuse of ICE), yet he still ended up in ICE custody for months. Just trying to communicate with the outside world was virtually impossible. He was a skinny kid to begin with, yet he still managed to lose 28 pounds while in custody. Not gossipy opinion, but rather a true report. Facts are facts. From CBS news: 18-year-old U.S. citizen detained by border officials said conditions were so bad he lost 26 pounds, almost self-deported quote: The facts, Faith. The facts. We keep showing them to you and you keep ignoring them.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Bunch of gossipy assertions, not clearly facts.
However, I did hear that account of the kid wrongfully detained, I have no reason to doubt that. But your other post was a lot of gossipy opinion. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
For example, do you still believe that the Mueller report exonerated Trump? You were fooled to believe that because that's the lie that Trump and your right-wing commentators kept telling you. We knew from the start that that was not true, because we actually read what was written both in the report itself and in the portion directly quoted by Barr in his four-page summary misrepresentation of the report. IOW, the facts. Weird. Of course it exonerated him. Barr's statement made that clear.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Both Barr's summary and Mueller's testimony directly state that the report does not exonerate Trump of obstruction of justice.
It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But that is a really bizarre piece of deceit since his job was to find reason for criminal charges and if those weren't found that was the end of the investigation. They were not found and that is logically the same as exoneration although such a term doesn't belong in the context of such a report at all: there is either reason for criminal charges or there is not and that is that. There was a lot of verbal game playing amounting to deceit going on in that report.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Weird. Of course it exonerated him. Barr's statement made that clear. No, it did not. It explicitly stated that it did not exonerate Trump. Barr directly quoted from the report where it explicitly stated that it did not exonerate Trump. How do we know this? Because we have read both the report and also Barr's "summary". Why do you still now know this? Because you have not bothered to read either the report nor Barr's "summary" of it, nor even the sections copied directly from the report that we have posted here for you to be able to read. Instead, you have only listened to the lies told by Trump and by his enablers. We are informed by directly examining the facts. You are misinformed by avoiding the facts and listening to the lies.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
They were not found and that is logically the same as exoneration
1. Not having enough evidence to charge is not the same as exoneration2. Mueller said multiple times in testimony that he was prevented from charging Trump for obstruction of justice because of DoJ policy. there is either reason for criminal charges or there is not and that is that.
Mueller listed 10 instances of obstruction of justice that he was unable to bring charges for because of DoJ policy. There were reasons for criminal charges.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's possible to read something and not really get it, especially when it was written to manipulate and deceive. Barr's statement of the main points was very clear and there was no doubt on the part of anyone who heard it. It took quite a bit of Leftist manipulation to smear the man and his simple report, and that's what YOU believe.
Again such a report can't officially exonerate, it either brings chanrges or it doesn't, and it didn't. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Mueller had already explicitly denied that the DoJ policy had anything whatever to do with the conclusions in the report. Not that he knew much about what was in the report which became clear when he was interviewed but anyway he said that clearly and then contradicted himself later. The report found no cause for criminal charges. If it had they could have made it clear that it had despite whatever reasons they were not going to prosecute, and they didn't. They went to great lengths to invent obstruction of justice out of this and that and it never amounted to obstruction of justice and THAT is why there was no mention of criminal charges. They can impeach him if they like because criminal charges aren't necessary for that but it's not even clear if they are going to try to do that after all.
The Mueller Rport was over two years of deceit and attempts to interfere with Trump's Presidency. There was never any cause for it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Bunch of gossipy assertions, not clearly facts.
How about this, which clearly does scare the crap out of you because you can't just lie about it to avoid facing rality: So we've established that Faith is in favor of the horrendous treatment of migrants at the border. The cruelty is the point, and she loves cruelty.So why does Faith think Obama did bad things? Because he wasn't barbaric enough? Again, from an official US Government report:
There are no human rights abuses at our border according to many who have visited there to find out.
No, Faith, those photos and the report and the testimony of Border Patrol agents say there are appalling human rights abuses at our border. And you want more. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Remember back in June, when a lawyer for the United States (Sarah Fabian) told a panel of incredulous Ninth Circuit judges that it is safe and sanitary to confine immigrant children in facilities without soap or toothbrushes and to make them sleep on concrete floors under bright lights and with only "space blankets"? And there was no need for hot meals or bathroom access or toothbrushes? And the outcry that followed?
Well, the Ninth Circuit opinion is out, and it's a doozy. I especially like the two word reply "not so".
quote:("The Agreement" is the Flores agreement.) They're brutalizing those kids to deter more migrants. And not only do they admit they are, they're arguing it's OK. In the United States of America. Faith is all for the barbarity. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The ninth circuit court is well known for its leftist ideology.
What can the Border Patrol do if they aren't given the supplies needed? Who is responsible for supplying them? Isn't it Congress? The President can't appropriate the funds. And how many detention centers are there on the border? The one you keep highlighting is probably the bad one, which is of course why you focus on it. There are fifteen detention centers within the US. Any idea what sort of conditions exist at all of them? One really bad one is of course too many. You can stop with the lying accusations any time now. All it does is identify you as a Leftist since that's their modus operandi. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
What can the Border Patrol do if they aren't given the supplies needed?
The border patrol's argument wasn't "we don't have the supplies to do that" it was "we're not required to do that". Cruelty is the point.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
The report found no cause for criminal charges
False. Multiple criminal charges came from the Mueller investigation.
They went to great lengths to invent obstruction of justice out of this and that and it never amounted to obstruction of justice and THAT is why there was no mention of criminal charges.
False. They couldn't charge the president so they didn't. Mueller and Barr stated the report does not exonerate nor convict the president of criminal charges.
There was never any cause for it.
Straight up lie. There was clear russian interference in the election. The have been multiple criminal charges brought because of this interference. Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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